Number of electrons in conduction band

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the number of electrons in the conduction band, specifically addressing the role of the density of states and the Fermi probability distribution. Participants explore how to account for multiple degenerate states at the same energy level, particularly in relation to spin states of electrons.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that to find the number of electrons in the conduction band, the density of states function g_c(E) and the Fermi probability distribution f(E) are necessary, and questions how to apply f(E) when multiple states exist at the same energy level.
  • Another participant suggests that degenerate states are accounted for in the density of states, indicating that a factor of 2 is included for spin states, which does not affect the Fermi-Dirac distribution.
  • A participant reiterates the question about the occupancy probability of degenerate states, asking if both states at a given energy level would have the same probability of being occupied according to f(E).
  • It is stated that all degenerate states at the same energy have the same occupancy probability, which is equal to f(E), regardless of spin.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the Fermi-Dirac distribution applies equally to spin-up and spin-down electrons as long as there is no symmetry breaking, confirming that f(E) remains the same for all degenerate states at that energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the density of states accounts for degenerate states and that the Fermi probability distribution applies uniformly to those states. However, the initial question regarding the application of f(E) in the context of multiple states indicates some uncertainty that remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of symmetry breaking on the occupancy probabilities of degenerate states, nor does it clarify the specific conditions under which the assumptions hold.

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In order to obtain the number of actual electrons in the conduction band or in a range of energies, two functions are needed:
1) the density of states for electrons in conduction band, that is the function g_c(E);
2) the Fermi probability distribution f(E) for the material at its temperature T.
(as a reference, http://ecee.colorado.edu/~bart/book/carriers.htm can be used). So, the number of electrons between the energy level E and the energy level E + dE is given by

n(E)dE = g_c(E) f(E) dE

where g_c(E) dE is the number of states between energy level E and energy level E + dE and f(E) is the probability that they are occupied.
This would work if the number of states in that range is just 1 or 0. But what if there are multiple available states?

Fermi probability distribution gives the probability that a state at a certain energy E is occupied: it is just one state. If we need to handle multiple states (like two electrons with opposite spin) at the same energy (or in the same infinitesimal interval of energies, between E and E + dE), how should we use the value of the Fermi probability for each of them?
 
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Shouldn't degenerate states be taken care of in the density of states? For spin up and spin down, a factor of 2 is included in the density of states, and doesn't affect the Fermi-Dirac distribution.
 
Vagn said:
Shouldn't degenerate states be taken care of in the density of states? For spin up and spin down, a factor of 2 is included in the density of states, and doesn't affect the Fermi-Dirac distribution.

Yes, a factor of 2 is included in the density of states. My question is: if an energy level E_1 is such that (for example) f(E_1) = 0.1 and there are two possible states with opposite spins for the electrons at E = E_1: will both the states have the same 0.1 probability of being occupied? Or what else?
 
EmilyRuck said:
Yes, a factor of 2 is included in the density of states. My question is: if an energy level E_1 is such that (for example) f(E_1) = 0.1 and there are two possible states with opposite spins for the electrons at E = E_1: will both the states have the same 0.1 probability of being occupied? Or what else?
All degenerate states with energy E have the same probability of being occupied, namely f(E), no matter what the spin is.
 
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Fermi-Dirac distribution f(E) gives the probability that a quantum state with energy E is occupied. So, as long as there is no symmetry breaking that lifts the degeneracy of spin up and spin down electrons, they have the same energy, thereore f(E) for spin up and spin down electrons are the same. That's why we have a factor of two. Furthermore, if there are more available states with the same energy, f(E) for all those states would be the same.
 
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Ok, that's right now, so thank you both!
 

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