Obama almost touched his feet when greeting an Emperor

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The discussion revolves around President Obama's bow to the Japanese Emperor during a diplomatic visit, exploring cultural etiquette, perceptions of American behavior abroad, and the implications for international relations. Participants express a range of opinions on the appropriateness of the gesture and its reception both domestically and internationally.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Obama's bow was a sign of respect, questioning why it elicited such strong reactions.
  • Others argue that the bowing protocol is significant in Japanese culture, noting that the depth of the bow indicates the relative status of the individuals involved.
  • A few participants express embarrassment over the perceived overreaction of Americans to the bow, attributing it to a sense of American exceptionalism.
  • Some comments reflect on the broader perception of America globally, with references to polling data indicating fluctuating favorability towards the U.S. in various countries.
  • There are humorous remarks about the nature of political greetings and cultural differences, including comparisons to other leaders and their respective countries.
  • Participants discuss the implications of Obama's actions for American-Japanese relations, with some believing it positively impacted perceptions of the U.S.
  • Concerns are raised about the adequacy of presidential advisors in informing Obama about cultural protocols during international visits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriateness of the bow or its implications. There are multiple competing views regarding cultural respect, American perceptions, and the significance of diplomatic gestures.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on subjective interpretations of cultural etiquette and the impact of political actions on international relations, with varying degrees of evidence presented. The discussion includes anecdotal references to polling data without definitive sources.

  • #31
BobG said:
Clinton initially botched the little things about being President, such as knowing how the Commander in Chief of the US's military handles salutes, etc
Is this a deliberate democrat policy of not caring 'about such things or is it simply that all their staff went to liberal arts colleges?

Reagan ..he seemed to follow the proper protocol for national leaders.
That's the advantage of having a professional actor in the role, they rehearse, learn their lines and get it on the first take.

fallen asleep at inoppurtune times,
True, what you need is a actor/politician that is better engineered, more robust, more SUV like and which "absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead".
Can't think of any obvious candidates.

Maybe it's just the increased media exposure, but it does portray an image of clumsiness and awkwardness for the US in the world.
Could work with the right president.
Aw shucks - we aren't a ruthless killing machine an industrial military complex we just got a little confused about which country we were invading. I can see Afghanistan from my house, y'all
 
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  • #32
Maybe we could build the perfect-President Robot or PPR. The PPR could travel around the world meeting everyones expectation all the time. His/hers/its speeches could be long lists of the current issues. He/she/it could perform foreign rights and customs flawlessly, even better than the locals. He/she/it wouldn't sleep, or take vacations at Camp David. He/she/it would not say anything that anyone else could find offensive. At that point the entire world would love America (USA). All peoples would envy our PPR.

I think we should consider these human leaders a temporary problem. :-p
 
  • #33
Obama should have patted His Imperial Midget on his head, rather than performed this act of obeisance towards him..

That would at least have opened up for some interesting diplomatic aftermath..:smile:
 
  • #34
mgb_phys said:
True, what you need is a actor/politician that is better engineered, more robust, more SUV like and which "absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead".
Can't think of any obvious candidates.

Mean Joe Greene would be the obvious choice. Politicial donations from Coca-Cola would make him a cinch to win.

(Remember, you have to be born in the U.S.A. to be President - as if anyone could possibly forget that detail with the BS over Obama's birth certificate and McCain being born on a military installation in Panama.)
 
  • #35
Maybe he was reaching down to slip another http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/04/01/2009-04-01_president_obama_gives_queen_ipod_loaded_-1.html" into the Emp's pocket.
 
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  • #36
Pattonias said:
Maybe we could build the perfect-President Robot or PPR. :

180px-HONDA_ASIMO.jpg


Positives:
Can walk unaided, climb stairs and recognise it's environment - which puts it ahead of many incumbents of the white house.
Only costs $1m, and can be rented for only $150K/year if you don't think you will win a second term.

It would need a few upgrades:
At only 130cm tall it would need to be stretched if the 'taller candidate always wins' rule is true.
To appeal to middle America it will need to be fitted with a V8 hemi
To appeal to soccer moms it will need more cupholders
Is it available in other body color options?

And to satisfy the constitution it will have to be built in one of Honda's plants in America - this time please remember to keep the original receipt.
 
  • #37
Pattonias said:
Maybe we could build the perfect-President Robot or PPR. The PPR could travel around the world meeting everyones expectation all the time. His/hers/its speeches could be long lists of the current issues. He/she/it could perform foreign rights and customs flawlessly, even better than the locals. He/she/it wouldn't sleep, or take vacations at Camp David. He/she/it would not say anything that anyone else could find offensive. At that point the entire world would love America (USA). All peoples would envy our PPR.

I think we should consider these human leaders a temporary problem. :-p

I once read a short story where a holographic representation of the Presidential candidate was used during the campaign because of security concerns (this was shortly after two different women attempted to assassinate Gerry Ford). To keep anyone from finding out about the illusion, the real candidate was kept in seclusion on a desert island. By time he won the election, he had decided he liked living on the island more than he liked the idea of being President and refused to serve. A committee ran the Presidency, using the holographic representation of the President to keep the public fooled.

By time re-election time rolled around, the holographic President had a reputation for being cold and removed from the public, since the holographic President obviously couldn't shake hands with anyone, kiss any babies, or meet personally with any other world leaders. To win re-election, the committee had to find someone human to substitute for the holographic President for the duration of the campaign - hopefully someone who wouldn't mind going back into retirement as soon as the campaign was over since the committee would have to eliminate the human if he tried to interfere with actually running the Presidency.

I can't remember how they found someone that looked like the holograph and how they convinced him to serve during the campaign and then immediately disappear, but it didn't work out very well. The human suddenly developed a desire to actually be the President and the rest of the story was a shoot-em-up between the substitute President (that many thought was actually the President) and the committee actually running the Presidency.
 

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