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News Obama quits Chicago church after long controversy

  1. May 31, 2008 #1

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    Can I call 'em or what?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080601/ap_on_el_pr/obama [Broken]

    Seriously, the only sensible thing he could do was leave and put as much distance between him and that church as possible.

    I guess he must have seen my post and decided to take my advice. :wink:
     
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  3. May 31, 2008 #2

    Art

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    Yes just as I predicted he resigned sooner rather than later :tongue2:
     
  4. May 31, 2008 #3

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    i am somewhat sad that he took your cut and run advice, evo. of course he may also have just had enough. what if his barber or bus driver listens to rush limbaugh? does he have to change his routine?
     
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  5. May 31, 2008 #4

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    Did you see the video of Pfleger? I've never seen such venemous hate mongering. It was shocking. Obama had to cut his ties.

    If you have not watched the Pfleger video, the entire one, the one I posted was just a small portion, and I think that has been taken down, you need to watch it, but be warned, it's pretty nasty, and Pfleger comes off as a raving psycho.
     
  6. May 31, 2008 #5

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    That depends - does he look to his barber or bus driver for spiritual/moral guidance?
     
  7. May 31, 2008 #6
    I'm not sure it will make a big difference now. He should have made the decision sooner.
     
  8. Jun 1, 2008 #7

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    I've only watched one video, and in my opinion, it was a brilliant comedic routine. I don't see why everyone's upset about it - especially Hillary - since it seems to be essentially a spot on depiction.

    Can you post the link to the hate-mongering video?
     
  9. Jun 1, 2008 #8
    Does that make Obama an atheist now?
     
  10. Jun 1, 2008 #9

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    I have been secretly grinning about this idea (not exactly, but close) ever since I read the news about it. Shhhh!
     
  11. Jun 1, 2008 #10

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    Uh, I thought he was a moslem ?
     
  12. Jun 1, 2008 #11
    He's not...

    I don't think so but I think he'll be staying away from churches these days -hence taking a passive stance, hoping this would go by...or quite the opposite he might go to another one and announce it - as a way of saying "I'm against these kind of speeches" -
     
  13. Jun 1, 2008 #12

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    Trinity United Church of Christ is an example of what some call 'charismatic' with respect to the types of sermon issued from the pulpit. It's a different culture than that to which most are apparently accustomed. The idea it seems is to get people fired up. It's not something that would appeal to me.

    I do find it unfortunate that Pfleger chose to denigrate Clinton. That was unnecessary, even if some of it had some possible truth to it, i.e. the sense of entitlement. But Pfleger went over the top.


    I'm sure Obama will look for a new church, perhaps one in Washington DC. These days, one earns political capital by attending church.
     
  14. Jun 1, 2008 #13

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    He should have quit this church 20 years ago, or rather, not getting involved with it to begin with.

    Rather than his insincere denunciations of Mr. Wright, Obama should have come out clean and said the truth, namely that for a number of years, he himself shared the sentiments of Mr. Wright, and HENCE, chose to be a member of that congregation.

    Then he could have apologized, in a far more believable way, that he himself was wrong in sharing the reprehensible opinions of Mr. Wright.
     
  15. Jun 1, 2008 #14

    Gokul43201

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    And you know this truth how?
     
  16. Jun 1, 2008 #15

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    Mike Huckabee's opinion of the Obama/Wright controversy:

     
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    'strue.
     
  18. Jun 1, 2008 #17

    Evo

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    Here's a snippet, I'll see if I can find the whole sermon. The part about Clinton was just a tiny piece.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfWnY5PC0CQ&feature=related
     
  19. Jun 1, 2008 #18

    Ivan Seeking

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    I thought of you as soon as I heard the news. :approve:
     
  20. Jun 1, 2008 #19

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    I honestly don't find anything particularly controversial in what he said there. Retribution, is, after all, still a big piece of modern American jurisprudence (and it's probably only the Anglicans and some small fraction of Lutherans that have any objection to it).
     
  21. Jun 1, 2008 #20

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    Screaming to a group of black people that they have been repeatedly raped by American Whites? That's not hate mongering? Of I'm sure that did a lot of good to help smooth over racial tensions. And there were small children listening to him, what are they supposed to think? He's telling the congregation, throughout his sermon that white people are against blacks. Did you see the snippet of him praising Rev Wright, again evil White people are against them.

    This is why Obama had to leave, not the parody of Clinton.
     
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  22. Jun 1, 2008 #21

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    It certainly betrays Obama's message of reconciliation and hope. I am personally not shocked by his sermon, really, because I understand the reference to rape, and to some degree I understand why some black people feel this way. And the reverend was only saying what many in the audience feel. But even in the case of a rape victim, either life moves on, or you spend the rest of your life being an angry victim.

    I think one problem here is that some older people have been too angry for too long, and change is not possible.
     
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  23. Jun 1, 2008 #22

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    There is another piece to that no one mentioned - the part about "America has to pay the price..." Part of what makes such rhetoric so popular is the idea that there may be some free money associated with it.

    It's a tough balance for a democrat, though. So much of their political capital comes from playing-up the victim mentality and the free money to make up for it. This guy was very obviously over the line, but the big picture is that Obama needs those people to believe they are victims and that he can help them. It is also not too dissimilar to Hillary's message to lower-class whites. And Obama's "bitter" comment was intended to be the same message, he just tripped over the delivery.
     
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  24. Jun 1, 2008 #23

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    Why does he need that? I think the reverends need them to feel like victims, but not Obama. In fact Obama stands out as anything but a victim. He stands as an example of how far we have come.

    As for paying the price, this notion that the US owes the decendents of slaves reparations, is absurd. I see this as nothing more than a loser's pipedream.
     
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  25. Jun 1, 2008 #24

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    It is my own personal opinion that this is hate mongering, but I don't see why most Americans should see it as so. After all, it strikes me as no different from testimonials in the penalty phase of a court hearing where family members of the victim describe the suffering of their loved one at the hands of the perpetrator and demand retribution.

    I find both practices despicable, but I'm in the minority.

    I don't think he was telling the congregation that white people are against blacks - he can hardly pull that off, being himself a ... white person. It only sounds like he is saying that there has been a long history of white subjugation and some whites now think that blacks should get over it and move on. He is also justifying a hatred of white supremacy beyond one which exists today, and he is fostering a sense of entitlement beyond one which is productive.
     
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  26. Jun 1, 2008 #25
    No, I agree with arildno here. For 20 years the man was a part of this chruch. This is def not something new to him. To be 'outraged' so late at the game is just BS. Im sure he knew exactly what was said in that chruch when the spotlight wasnt on him, and he ate it up. If hes going to claim its suddenly not in line with his views, what did he do there for 20 years, sleep through the sermons?
     
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