Observer vs Natural phenomenon

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the behavior of hydrogen atoms under the many-body Schrödinger equation, specifically regarding the Coulombic repulsion between two hydrogen atoms. It concludes that while quantum randomness plays a role at the atomic level, macroscopic observations, such as pushing a chair, result from averaging the interactions of a vast number of atoms, leading to a predictable expectation value. The analogy of a tabletop experiencing balanced forces from air molecules illustrates that the likelihood of extreme fluctuations in atomic behavior is negligible, reinforcing the stability observed in macroscopic systems.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the many-body Schrödinger equation
  • Familiarity with Coulombic repulsion in quantum mechanics
  • Basic knowledge of quantum randomness and expectation values
  • Concept of macroscopic versus microscopic systems in physics
NEXT STEPS
  • Explore the implications of quantum mechanics on macroscopic phenomena
  • Study the principles of Coulomb's law in atomic interactions
  • Investigate the concept of eigenvalues in quantum systems
  • Learn about statistical mechanics and its role in averaging atomic behaviors
USEFUL FOR

Physicists, quantum mechanics students, and anyone interested in the relationship between atomic behavior and macroscopic physical phenomena.

jaydnul
Messages
558
Reaction score
15
If you have two hydrogen atoms as your system, then you use the many body Schrödinger equation for 2 protons and 2 electrons. The coulombic repulsion between the two atoms is built into the SWE, so is there a range of different possible magnitudes for the repulsion? If so, does the system decide at which magnitude to repel based on quantum randomness? Lastly, how would that translate to the macroscopic world. Is the range of different possibilities just too small to ever notice?

The reason i ask this is because when i, say, push on a chair, my finger atoms and the chair atoms are definitely repelling, so is that system just randomly choosing the magnitude of repulsion?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Jd0g33 said:
The reason i ask this is because when i, say, push on a chair, my finger atoms and the chair atoms are definitely repelling, so is that system just randomly choosing the magnitude of repulsion?

No, it's averaging across an enormous number of individual atoms and (as expected:smile:) ending up with something very close to the expectation value.

For a classical analogy, you could consider the tabletop in front of me (supports my bare feet and because it's too early in the day for cold beer, a nice warm cup of coffee). It is being bombarded by randomly moving air molecules on both sides, yet it experiences no net force because on average the number and speed of the molecules hitting the top are balanced by the number and speed of the molecules hitting the bottom. It is in principle possible for every one of the ##10^{24}## or so molecules underneath the table to randomly happen to be moving up at the same time; if this were to happen the table would blast through the ceiling like an artillery shell. And the probability of this happening? It's on the order of ##2^{-(10^{24})}##, a number which is indescribably small.
 
Nugatory said:
No, it's averaging across an enormous number of individual atoms and (as expected:smile:) ending up with something very close to the expectation value

But what about a system with just two hydrogen atoms colliding without any other potentials, a completely isolated area. I realize that wouldn't happen, but just as a thought experiment. Would that system randomly choose an eigenvalue for repulsion?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 40 ·
2
Replies
40
Views
7K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
3K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
5K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K