Official global warming PF Earth forum poll

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the topic of anthropogenic global warming (AGW) skepticism, focusing on the perceptions of educated individuals regarding the validity of global warming claims. Participants explore the adequacy of data, the reliability of temperature measurements, and the influence of media on public understanding of climate science.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether AGW skeptics are a minority among educated individuals, emphasizing the need for informed opinions beyond mainstream media.
  • Another participant suggests that the option of "insufficient data to say anything" should have been included in the poll, indicating a lack of consensus on the available information.
  • A participant expresses conditional acceptance of the data quality and quantity necessary for climate hypotheses but raises doubts about the motivations of those constructing climate models.
  • There is a critique of the methodology used in averaging temperature data, with concerns that irregular data distribution may lead to unreliable results.
  • Participants acknowledge that information about global warming is often misrepresented in the media, contributing to public misconceptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of data and the credibility of climate science, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in data interpretation and the complexity of establishing reliable climate models, suggesting that assumptions about data quality and media representation are critical to the discussion.

Poll concerning what you think of the global warming. Check all that apply.

  • I am a "global warmer" who sides with AGW

    Votes: 6 30.0%

  • I am a "global warmer" who sides with non-anthropogenic global warming

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I am skeptical of AGW

    Votes: 9 45.0%

  • I am skeptical of a global warming occurring right now

    Votes: 3 15.0%

  • There is controversy concerning global warming

    Votes: 9 45.0%

  • There is little or no controversy concerning global warming

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • Information regarding the subject is often incorrectly regarded as fact in the media

    Votes: 10 50.0%

  • Information regarding the subject is usually correctly regarded as fact in the media

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Actions must be taken to fight the menace, whether anthropogenic or natural

    Votes: 3 15.0%

  • We should not take action, either because actions are futile, or there is nothing to fight.

    Votes: 7 35.0%
  • Total voters
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Ok guys, this is the poll. Is there only a very small minority of educated people that are AGW skeptics? Global warming skeptics? I think most of us here are aquainted with the subject's aire de academia, but, please vote only if you know more than what was served to you on a silver platter, i.e. the mass media (magazines, editorials, blogs, newspapers, television news, internet news, radio, gossip and rumors, etc..)
 
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You omitted "insufficient data to say anything."
 
I only get 10 options, I can't fit everything it. That is under skeptical, no?
 
Conditionally --- I know the quantity and quality of the data --- I can state minimum quantity and quality necessary for constructing hypotheses about climate --- I can compare the minimum quality and quality to that extant --- (no skepticism so far) --- do I have doubts about the qualifications and motives of the people constructing the "Rube Goldberg" cause and effect mechanisms? To some extent. Can I accept n-fold "if" statements as "science?" No --- science proceeds through tests of a single "if" at a time.

Fair 'nuff?
 
That is like:

If I'm driving too fast and
If the brakes are worn down a bit and
if there is a sharp turn ahead and
if there is a abyss next to the road and
if the guard rail is too weak then
I'm in big trouble
endif
endif
endif
endif
endif
 
There is a real problem with the temperature data. Averaging the high and low numbers in an irregularly distributed series of numbers does not produce a mathematically reliable result. The high or low number on a specific day may represent the temperature for a few minutes or for a few hours.

If average temperatures are going to be used the readings must be taken at specific intervals during each day.
 
There is controversy concerning global warming

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Information regarding the subject is often incorrectly regarded as fact in the media

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