Oh wow, a math question came up at work Finite series

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The discussion revolves around a finite series involving the summation of terms of the form \(x^{m-k}(1-x)^k\), where \(m\) is a constant and \(n\) is the upper limit of summation. Participants express uncertainty about the setup and seek clarification on the series' structure and properties.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the series' formulation and consider different interpretations of the terms involved. There are attempts to relate the series to known summation techniques, including the binomial theorem and geometric series properties. Questions arise regarding the correct application of these concepts and the implications of the constants involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's interpretations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the potential use of the binomial theorem and geometric series, although no consensus has been reached on the final approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the context of the problem relates to a professional setting, with one mentioning a connection to probabilities. There is also mention of the original poster's intent to impress colleagues, which adds a layer of pressure to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Being professionals now we've all forgotten our math skills and I'm trying to impress everyone. P=sum from k=0 to n of (x)^(m-k)*(1-x)


Sorry for the hurried lack of latex, it's x^(m-k), and that term is multiplied by (1-x)


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The Attempt at a Solution



Unfortunately this isn't really homework and I don't even know where to start, so I guess it'd be too much to ask to just do it! If someone could just get me started methinks hazy memories could kick in
 
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Hi blochwave! :smile:

Well, most of it is constant, so it's (x^m)(1-x)∑x^(-k),

(or is it (x^-m)(1-x)∑x^k ?)

so all you have to sum is ∑x^(-k). :smile:

(or ∑x^k)
 
I assume you mean,

[tex]P = \sum_{k=0}^{n} x^{n-k}(1-x) = (1-x)\sum_{k=0}^{n}\frac{x^n}{x^k}[/tex]

[tex]= (1-x)\left(x^n+x^{n-1} + x^{n-2} + \ldots + x^2 + x +1\right)[/tex]

[tex]= \left(x^n+x^{n-1} + x^{n-2} + \ldots + x^2 + x +1\right) - \left(x^{n+1}+x^{n} + x^{n-1} + \ldots + x^3 + x^2 +x\right)[/tex]

Notice that all the terms where the exponent is between n and 1 inclusive cancel leaving,

[tex]P = 1-x^{n+1}[/tex]

Edit: Ooops, I thought the m was an n, never mind. See TT's post.
 
You guys rock so hard

EDIT: Unfortunately I don't

A)It WAS x^(m-k), m is a constant distinct from n, sorry

it was (1-x)^k, to make it I believe more difficult
 
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blochwave said:
You guys rock so hard

EDIT: Unfortunately I don't

A)It WAS x^(m-k), m is a constant distinct from n, sorry

it was (1-x)^k, to make it I believe more difficult
So the series is,

[tex]P = \sum_{k=0}^{n}x^{m-k}\left(1-x\right)^k[/tex]

Correct?
 
Yes, I wrote it down this time to avoid further embarrassment >_>
 
The contribution from the x(m-k) term will be similar to the series detailed in post #3. For the contribution of the parenthesised term, one may consider using the binomial theorem.

Edit: I'm curious as to your line of work, in what context did the series arise?
 
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I don't even know what he's doing it for, it's something to do with probabilities like I said

Check this though: I did the ratio convergence test to make sure he didn't ask a stupid question, forgetting that it only works if the series is geometric

Well if you divide any subsequent terms you get x^-1(1-x), which I realized is r

so the series can be written as x^m[r]^k, if a=x^m, r is that thing above(I checked this for at least the first few terms), you can just write down the solution to a geometric series using those terms and BAM

Did I do good? He's an aerospace engineer and I have a degree in physics, we work for an engineering consulting type place. I felt obliged to solve this after I didn't know his other question of which was more efficient, a turbofan or turboprop :(

Edit: Well duh, it's a finite series, I shouldn't have even been doing a convergence test, BUT in the process I found out I could rewrite it as a geometric series, and right is right. I hope
 
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You know what, that's real nice blochwave, I didn't spot that. Looks good to me :approve:
 

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