On a bound on the norm of a matrix with a simple pole

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a matrix function with a simple pole at the origin, specifically focusing on deriving a bound on the norm of the matrix as it approaches the pole. Participants explore the implications of the Laurent series expansion and various inequalities related to matrix norms, considering both theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

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  • One participant presents a matrix function with a simple pole and questions how a specific inequality regarding its norm follows from a standard matrix norm inequality.
  • Another participant suggests modifying the entries of the matrix to facilitate the application of the norm inequality, proposing a new matrix with adjusted entries that would allow factoring out a term.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the validity of certain inequalities, particularly regarding the bounding of the matrix norm for the entire Laurent polynomial part.
  • A later reply introduces a new approach to bounding the norm by separating the pole term and the remaining part of the matrix, suggesting a revised inequality based on boundedness assumptions.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumptions made regarding the boundedness of the matrix function outside its pole region and the implications for the derived inequalities.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of certain inequalities and the assumptions needed to derive bounds on the matrix norm. There is no consensus on the correctness of the proposed approaches or the assumptions regarding boundedness.

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Participants highlight potential limitations in their reasoning, including the need for clear definitions of boundedness and the implications of the radius of convergence for the Laurent series. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly regarding the bounding of the norm for the entire matrix function.

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In Ordinary Differential Equations by Andersson and Böiers, I'm reading about so-called weakly singular systems, that is, ##\pmb{x}'(z)=A(z)\pmb{x}(z)## where ##A(z)## is analytic except at the origin where it has a simple pole (this means all its entries are analytic with at most a simple pole). I'm confused about an estimate made in a proof in this section.
Let ##A(z)## be a matrix function with a simple pole at the origin; in other words, we can expand it into a Laurent series of the form ##\frac1{z}A_{-1}+A_0+zA_1+\ldots##, where ##A_i## are constant matrices and ##A_{-1}\neq 0##. Fix ##\theta_0\in[0,2\pi)## and ##c\in(0,1)## (here ##1## could also be any other real, finite number) and let ##0<s<c##. My textbook claims that $$\lVert A(se^{i\theta_0})\rVert\leq m|se^{i\theta_0}|^{-1}=\frac{m}{s},\qquad 0<s<c,$$ for some ##m>0## and that this should follow from the inequality ##\lVert A\rVert\leq \left(\sum_{j,k=0}^n |a_{jk}|^2\right)^{1/2}##. I do not understand this, because consider for instance $$\begin{bmatrix} \frac1{z}&1\\ 2&3 \end{bmatrix}=\frac1{z}\begin{bmatrix}1&0\\ 0&0\end{bmatrix}+\begin{bmatrix}0&1\\ 2&3\end{bmatrix}$$ I don't see how the claimed inequality follows from ##\lVert A\rVert\leq \left(\sum_{j,k=0}^n |a_{jk}|^2\right)^{1/2}## in this case, since it seems like we can't factor out ##\frac1{s}## from the sum.
 
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If I am not mistaken, we could replace all entries that do not have poles with ##b_{jk}=\frac 1 s a_{jk}## and leave ##b_{jk} =a_{jk}## for entries with the poles. Then $$\lVert A\rVert\leq \left(\sum_{j,k=0}^n |a_{jk}|^2\right)^{1/2}\leq \left(\sum_{j,k=0}^n |b_{jk}|^2\right)^{1/2}$$ and we can factor out ##\frac 1 s## from the sum on the right.
 
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Hill said:
If I am not mistaken, we could replace all entries that do not have poles with ##b_{jk}=\frac 1 s a_{jk}## and leave ##b_{jk} =a_{jk}## for entries with the poles. Then $$\lVert A\rVert\leq \left(\sum_{j,k=0}^n |a_{jk}|^2\right)^{1/2}\leq \left(\sum_{j,k=0}^n |b_{jk}|^2\right)^{1/2}$$ and we can factor out ##\frac 1 s## from the sum on the right.
If I understand you right, you mean that we simply write ##a_{jk}=\frac{s}{s}a_{jk}\leq\frac{c}{s}a_{jk}## and ##c## gets absorbed by ##a_{jk}##.
 
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If I understand you right, you mean that we simply write ##a_{jk}=\frac{s}{s}a_{jk}\leq\frac{c}{s}a_{jk}## and ##c## gets absorbed by ##a_{jk}##.
Yes, this is another way to put it.
 
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Careful, I don't think we can say, ##\frac{s}{s}a_{jk}\leq\frac{c}{s}a_{jk}##. But we can say, ##|\frac{s}{s}a_{jk}|\leq|\frac{c}{s}a_{jk}|##, and this is all we need.
 
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How about this?

Set ##A=A_{-1}z^{-1} +B(z)## where ##\|A_{-1}\|=m'\, , \,\|B\|=b<\infty ## and ##m=m'+bc^2.## Then
\begin{align*}
\|A(z)\|&\leq \|A_{-1}\|\cdot \dfrac{1}{\|z\|} + \|B(z)\|\leq \|A_{-1}\|\cdot \dfrac{1}{\|z\|} + \|B\|\cdot\|z\|\\
&\leq \dfrac{m'}{s}+ b\cdot s \leq \dfrac{m'}{s}+ b\cdot c =\dfrac{m'+bsc}{s}\leq\dfrac{m}{s}
\end{align*}
 
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I am not sure whether ##\|B(z)\|\leq \|B\|\cdot \|z\|## is true. Maybe we need something different as an upper bound for the entire part of the Laurent polynomial. There must be something so that it doesn't go to infinity, the radius of convergence.
 
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I am not sure whether ##\|B(z)\|\leq \|B\|\cdot \|z\|## is true. Maybe we need something different as an upper bound for the entire part of the Laurent polynomial. There must be something so that it doesn't go to infinity, the radius of convergence.
Are you thinking about the inequality ##\lVert A x\rVert\leq \lVert A \rVert\cdot \lVert x\rVert## where ##x## is a vector? This inequality is e.g. listed here. Given ##B(z)##, I'm confused about what ##\|B\|## would be in this case.
 
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Are you thinking about the inequality ##\lVert A x\rVert\leq \lVert A \rVert\cdot \lVert x\rVert## where ##x## is a vector? This inequality is e.g. listed here. Given ##B(z)##, I'm confused about what ##\|B\|## would be in this case.
Yes, that was my first impetus because it is a standard reflex to apply ##\|Mx\|\leq\|M\|\cdot\|x\|.## But it is probably wrong here.

Nevertheless, ##A(z)## has to be bounded outside its pole region since it would have another pole otherwise. And if ##A(z)## is bounded at points ##z=se^{i\theta}## with a certain distance to the pole, ##B(z)=A_0+A_1z+A_2z^2+\ldots## is bounded there, too.

Assume ##B## is not bounded on the compact disc ##D:=\{\|z\| \leq s\},## say at ##p\in D.## Then
$$
\|A(p)\| =\|A_{-1}(p)+ B(p)\| =\infty
$$
Since the only pole of ##A ## is ##p=0,## we have that ##B(0)=A_0## which is a constant and therefore bounded. And if ##B## is bounded, then
$$
\|B(z)\| \leq \sup_{z\in D}\|B(z)\| =:d<\infty .
$$
The corrected version is thus:
fresh_42 said:
Set ##A=A_{-1}z^{-1} +B(z)## where ##\|A_{-1}\|=m'## and ##m=m'+dc.## Then
\begin{align*}
\|A(z)\|&\leq \|A_{-1}\|\cdot \dfrac{1}{\|z\|} + \|B(z)\|\leq \|A_{-1}\|\cdot \dfrac{1}{\|z\|} + d\\
&=\|A_{-1}\| \cdot \dfrac{1}{s}+ \dfrac{ds}{s}=\dfrac{m'+ds}{s} <\dfrac{m}{s}
\end{align*}
 
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