On how to best introduce the concept of differential in Physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the best methods for introducing the concept of differentials in physics education. Participants explore various resources, approaches, and the challenges students face in understanding this concept, touching on both theoretical and pedagogical aspects.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the effectiveness of certain pedagogical approaches to explaining differentiation and differentials, suggesting that simplifications may complicate understanding.
  • There is a viewpoint that a solid grasp of both intuitive and rigorous definitions of differentials is necessary for students, highlighting the importance of understanding limits.
  • One participant mentions the modern approach of differential forms as potentially too advanced for high school students.
  • Another participant suggests that the goal should be to convey knowledge about infinitesimals without relying on infinitesimal concepts themselves.
  • Several links to academic papers and resources are shared, indicating various methods and perspectives on teaching differentials, including nonstandard analysis and bridging gaps in vector calculus.
  • A participant indicates a preference to return to traditional textbooks due to the complexity of the shared resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to teaching differentials, with multiple competing views and concerns about pedagogical methods remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the accessibility of the resources shared, and there is a recognition that the effectiveness of different teaching methods may depend on students' prior knowledge and understanding.

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Hi, PF

Here is the text I've taken a look at

file:///C:/Users/usuario/Desktop/2001_JMT_Girep.pdf

And the article I'm looking for:

Artigue M. and Viennot L.
Some aspects of students' conceptions and difficulties about differentials,
Misconceptions and Edu. Strategies in Sci&Math. Cornell, Ithaca, USA (1987)

To further understand the text. Don't know where to start from.

Love.
 
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mcastillo356 said:
Hi, PF

Here is the text I've taken a look at

file:///C:/Users/usuario/Desktop/2001_JMT_Girep.pdf

And the article I'm looking for:

Artigue M. and Viennot L.
Some aspects of students' conceptions and difficulties about differentials,
Misconceptions and Edu. Strategies in Sci&Math. Cornell, Ithaca, USA (1987)

To further understand the text. Don't know where to start from.

Love.

The first link is to your computer's hard drive.

I'm able to find links to the PDF for the article you are asking about with a Google search. Are you not getting the same search links?
 
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Hi, @berkeman, how are you?
This page:
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0143-0807/11/5/002/pdf
Three options: access through my institution (I am not enroled now), purchase or rent.
I will purchase.
Best wishes!
PD I would like to write you on April. Would you allow me? Things on track, thanks God, but still have an important meeting with a specialized doctor.
 
mcastillo356 said:
Here is the text I've taken a look at
Which is on your computer. We can't see it.
 
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mcastillo356 said:
PD I would like to write you on April. Would you allow me? Things on track, thanks God, but still have an important meeting with a specialized doctor.
Of course, feel free to contact me anytime. :smile:
 
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mcastillo356 said:
Are these people really serious that one should explain differentiation and differentials in this way? I'm sure that I'd have been utmost confused, if somebody had tried to explain it to me like this.

Often didacts make things much more difficult for the student in their confused attempts to "simplify" or "elementarize" a subject.

I think as a physicist you need both an intuitive understanding of expressions like ##\mathrm{d} x## as a difference in the limit of zero distance and in a rigorous sense of taking the appropriate well-defined limit (using the "##\epsilon##-##\delta## description".

Another more modern approach is also that of differential forms (Cartan), but that's for sure too advanced at the high-school level.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Are these people really serious that one should explain differentiation and differentials in this way?
The goal should be to have a non-infinitesimal transfer of knowledge about infinitesimals.
 
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Possibly enlightening:
(Dray and Manogue) Using differentials to bridge the vector calculus gap
https://bridge.math.oregonstate.edu/papers/use.pdf
(Dray and Manogue) Using differentials to differentiate trigonometric and exponential functions
https://bridge.math.oregonstate.edu/papers/trig.pdf
from Tevian's site:
https://sites.science.oregonstate.edu/~tevian/onid/cv/pubs.html#vector
and https://bridge.math.oregonstate.edu/

UPDATE:
https://blogs.ams.org/matheducation/2016/05/31/thick-derivatives/
 
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Hi, PF
@robphy, @DaveE, @caz , that's hard work! I've decided to turn back to the textbook Calculus. The links are very interesting, but too difficult for me at this moment. Anyhow, I will keep them on mind.
Greetings!
 

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