On the Rydberg Constant and the Emission Lines

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The discussion revolves around the Rydberg constant, its physical meaning, and its relationship to atomic mass and emission lines in hydrogen and hydrogenic atoms. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical formulations, and conceptual understandings related to the Rydberg constant within the context of atomic models.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the physical meaning of the Rydberg constant, noting its unit of m-1 and suggesting it may represent a rate.
  • Others propose that the Rydberg constant is related to the wavelengths of the emission spectrum, with higher atomic mass leading to higher emission frequencies due to increased energy requirements to free electrons.
  • A participant mentions that for hydrogenic atoms, the energy of absorbed or emitted photons corresponds to shorter wavelengths, implying a greater Rydberg constant.
  • One participant suggests that inverting the Rydberg constant yields a characteristic wavelength, indicating a potential interpretation of ##1/R## as a length rather than seeking deeper meaning for ##R## itself.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical expression for the energy levels of hydrogen atoms, linking the Rydberg constant to ionization energy and natural constants.
  • A later reply raises a question about the need for corrections in the context of relativistic collisions and whether mass rest conventions should be applied.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the Rydberg constant's physical meaning and its implications for atomic mass and emission frequencies. There is no consensus on a definitive understanding, and multiple competing views remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions and assumptions regarding atomic models and energy levels. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the Rydberg constant's significance.

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During the study of Rutherford's atomic model and hydrogen lines, I had doubts about the Rydberg constant, about the variation of its value and its physical meaning.
With regard to Rutherford's atomic model, and Rydberg's discovery in general for the hydrogen distribution lines, what does Rydberg's constant physically mean? Its unit is m ^ -1, as if it were a rate, but it was not clear to me its physical meaning.

And why does it grow with atomic mass? From the hydrogen series equations, we come to the conclusion that the wave number is proportional to the Rydberg constant, therefore, considering the relationship c = yf, would it be correct to say that elements with greater atomic mass have higher emission frequencies?

The references to this question were taken from the book Quantum Physics - Eisberg & Resnick, 26th Ed. Chapter 4.
 
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Gabrielmonteiro said:
Summary:: During the study of Rutherford's atomic model and hydrogen lines, I had doubts about the Rydberg constant, about the variation of its value and its physical meaning.

With regard to Rutherford's atomic model, and Rydberg's discovery in general for the hydrogen distribution lines, what does Rydberg's constant physically mean? Its unit is m ^ -1, as if it were a rate, but it was not clear to me its physical meaning.

And why does it grow with atomic mass? From the hydrogen series equations, we come to the conclusion that the wave number is proportional to the Rydberg constant, therefore, considering the relationship c = yf, would it be correct to say that elements with greater atomic mass have higher emission frequencies?

The references to this question were taken from the book Quantum Physics - Eisberg & Resnick, 26th Ed. Chapter 4.
The physical meaning is probably best understood by its relationship to the wavelengths of the emission spectrum.

For hydrogenic atoms, it takes more energy to free an electron from a greater number of nuclear protons. The greater the energy of the photon aborbed or emitted corrtesponds to a shorter wavelength and, hence, a greater Rydberg constant for that system.
 
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PeroK said:
The physical meaning is probably best understood by its relationship to the wavelengths of the emission spectrum.

For hydrogenic atoms, it takes more energy to free an electron from a greater number of nuclear protons. The greater the energy of the photon aborbed or emitted corrtesponds to a shorter wavelength and, hence, a greater Rydberg constant for that system.
The question of physical meaning was not very clear to me. I believe it is a conceptual issue. I will look for some material on, if I have any indication, I will be grateful. And with respect to the variation of the Rydberg constant for larger atomic masses, it really makes sense, I hadn't looked at it that way. Thank you for the explanation
 
Gabrielmonteiro said:
The question of physical meaning was not very clear to me. I believe it is a conceptual issue.
If you invert the Rydberg constant you get a characteristic (wave)length. I wouldn't worry too much how to interpret ##R## physically, as opposed to ##1/R## being interpreted as a length. You may not find a deeper meaning at all.
 
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The Rydberg constant is the ionization energy of atomic hydrogen. In the most simple approximation (in both the old Bohr-Sommerfeld model and modern quantum theory) for the energy levels of the hydrogen atom is
$$E_n=-\frac{1 \; \text{Ry}}{n^2}, \quad n \in \mathbb{N}=\{1,2,\ldots \}.$$
It's entirely given by natural constants (expressed in SI units),
$$1 \; \text{Ry}=\frac{\mu e^4}{32 \pi \epsilon_0^2 \hbar^2} \simeq 13.6 \; \text{eV}$$
with
$$\mu=\frac{m_e m_p}{m_e+m_p}.$$
 
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vanhees71 said:
The Rydberg constant is the ionization energy of atomic hydrogen. In the most simple approximation (in both the old Bohr-Sommerfeld model and modern quantum theory) for the energy levels of the hydrogen atom is
$$E_n=-\frac{1 \; \text{Ry}}{n^2}, \quad n \in \mathbb{N}=\{1,2,\ldots \}.$$
It's entirely given by natural constants (expressed in SI units),
$$1 \; \text{Ry}=\frac{\mu e^4}{32 \pi \epsilon_0^2 \hbar^2} \simeq 13.6 \; \text{eV}$$
with
$$\mu=\frac{m_e m_p}{m_e+m_p}.$$
Would this correction for infinite nuclear mass need a second correction in the event of a relativistic collision? In this situation, would we take the mass rest convention?
 

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