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The discussion revolves around the resonant frequencies of hollow tube chimes that are open at both ends. The original poster presents a problem involving the calculation of the frequency produced by the third resonant length of a chime that is 0.54 m long, given the speed of sound as 346 m/s. Additionally, they inquire about the effects of shortening the chime on the frequency of sound produced.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the frequency using the relationship between wavelength and length, questioning whether to apply a specific formula for the third harmonic. They express uncertainty regarding the implications of changing the chime's length on frequency.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the calculations and concepts presented. Some suggest corrections to the frequency calculations and clarify the relationship between the third resonant length and harmonic frequencies. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of changing the chime's length on frequency, with some participants providing insights into the relationship between wavelength and frequency.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the speed of sound remains constant in the context of the problem, and there is an assumption that other conditions are unchanged when discussing the effects of shortening the chime.

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Homework Statement



Hollow tube chimes are made of metal and are open at each end. One chime is 0.54 m long.
A) if the speed of sound is 346 m/s, what is the frequency of sound produced by the third resonant length?
B)What would happen to the frequency of sound produced by the third resonant length if the chime were shorter?

Homework Equations



L1 = lambda/2 or lambda = 2L
L2 = lambda
L3 = 3 * lambda/2 or lambda = 2L/ 3
f1 = v/ lambda

The Attempt at a Solution



A) Lambda = 2L = 2 x (0.54m) = 1.08 m
f1 = v/ lambda = 346m/s / 1.08m = 320.4 Hz
L3 = 3 * (1.08m)/2 = 1.62 m

answer is
f = 346 / 1.62 = 213.6 Hz

or am i supposed to used f3=3f1, or is that only for string resonance. If it is used here then f3 = 3 * 320.4 = 961.2 Hz?

B) Not quite sure here, I understand what happens if a wavelength, frequency, or speed of sound changes, but for some reason this escapes me. I think i just fell into some sort of stupor where my head barely thinks.

Thanks in advance guys!
 
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I think the frequency is supposed to be 320.37Hz instead of 320.4Hz. From reading into this, it appears that i do need to use f3 = 3f1 or f3=3v/2L to find the third resonant length frequency, which would give me 961.11Hz. Is this correct?
Still not sure about B)
 
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If the frequency of the third resonant length means the frequency of the third harmonic (3 half-wavelength is there along the length of the chime), that 961 Hz is correct.

As for B: Think, what happens to the wavelength if the length of the chime decreases?

ehild
 
B. The wavelength shortens and the frequency increases/ temperature of course stays the same! Did i get it right?
Thanks for verifying my answer for A.:)
 
It is hidden but assumed that "everything the same around, just using a shorter chime". The speed of sound is the same, so you are right, frequency = speed of sound /lambda is higher for a shorter chime. ehild
 

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