Open Channel Flow: Dynamics & Forces in Irrigation Channels

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of liquid movement in open channel flow, specifically in irrigation channels without slope. Participants explore the forces at play during the filling of channels and the replenishment of water when it is being pumped out for irrigation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the role of hydrostatic forces in open channel flow, suggesting that gravitational forces are the primary drivers of movement.
  • One participant proposes that without a slope, the channel would simply become a static lake, implying that slope is necessary for flow.
  • Another participant emphasizes that open channel flow is purely gravitational, reiterating that gravity drives the movement of water.
  • There is a discussion about the forces acting when filling a channel for the first time, with one participant noting that gravity will cause water to move away from the point of filling to achieve balance.
  • Participants mention that water molecules self-adjust under gravity, responding to small level differentials caused by various factors such as wind and evaporation.
  • One participant clarifies that hydrostatic pressure relates to depth, while flow requires a difference in height or hydraulic head to drive movement.
  • A side question is raised regarding the relationship between liquid movement, viscosity, and temperature increase, with one participant acknowledging that friction can lead to heating but noting practical limitations in observing boiling due to friction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of slope for flow, with some asserting that gravity alone is sufficient while others argue that a height difference is essential. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the role of hydrostatic forces versus gravitational forces in driving flow.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of hydraulic head in driving flow, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of forces involved in open channel flow.

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Hi
what dynamics are moving liquid in open channel flow without slope (irrigation channels)? Are they mostly hydrostatic forces?

imagine 2 scenarios
1. Channels are empty and are being filled for the first time. What forces drive the liquid until it becomes big static lake?
2. Channels are filled but at the end of the channels water is being pumped out for irrigation. What drives the liquid to be replenished in the channels?

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There has to be slope otherwise you just have a big, static lake.
 
aladinlamp said:
what dynamics are moving liquid in open channel flow without slope (irrigation channels)?
Open channel flow is purely gravitational.
 
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russ_watters said:
There has to be slope otherwise you just have a big, static lake.
Ok imagine 2 scenarios
1. Channels are empty and are being filled for the first time. What forces drive the liquid until it becomes big static lake?
2. Channels are filled but at the end of the channel water is being pumped out for irrigation. What drives the liquid to be replenished in the channels?
 
aladinlamp said:
What forces drive the liquid until it becomes big static lake?
Gravity

aladinlamp said:
What drives the liquid to be replenished in the channels?
Gravity

Again, open channel flow is purely gravitational.
 
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aladinlamp said:
Ok imagine 2 scenarios
1. Channels are empty and are being filled for the first time. What forces drive the liquid until it becomes big static lake?
2. Channels are filled but at the end of the channel water is being pumped out for irrigation. What drives the liquid to be replenished in the channels?

1. At the point you are filling the channel the water surface is raised a bit. Gravity will even this out by moving water away from this point.
2. vice versa.
 
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aladinlamp said:
Are they mostly hydrostatic forces?
I'd say no, as hydrostatic force (force due to hydrostatic pressure) is the force on a submerged surface or parcel of water due to the height of the column of water above it (its depth). To drive flow from one place to another, you need a difference in height of one column of water to vs another at another place (not depth). That's called hydraulic or gravitational head:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra...r piezometric head,or bottom) of a piezometer.

Related, but not quite the same thing. But it's this difference in height (and the resulting pressure difference) that drives the flow.
 
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ok little side question
when flow is initiated by height difference, liquid has to overcome viscosity, internal friction.
does it mean, any liquid movement is causing liquid to heat up ?
in perfect heat isolated system, moving liquid(water) will just gain heat and increase its temperature until it will boil ?<
 
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In principle you are right. Allthough in practice I don't know of anyone having done an experiment with so much friction that the water starts to boil off.

In wind tunnels this can be a problem however. This is a more or less closed system and due to the turbulence generation, which dissipates due to viscosity/friction, the temperature inside the wind tunnel rises. This can cause all sorts of problems, like changing properties of air, instrument calibration issues etc.
 
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