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The discussion centers around understanding Example 2.7(a) from Stephen Willard's "General Topology," specifically regarding the properties of equivalence relations defined on open sets in the real numbers. Participants seek clarification on the nature of equivalence classes formed by open intervals and the implications of countability in this context.

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  • Some participants inquire about demonstrating that the equivalence classes are disjoint open intervals whose union is the open set A.
  • One participant explains that if two points are in the same equivalence class, there exists an open interval containing both points, thus establishing the interval property of the equivalence classes.
  • Another participant notes that since each disjoint open interval contains a distinct rational number, the collection of intervals is in bijection with a subset of the rationals, leading to the conclusion that there can only be countably many such intervals.
  • A participant expresses a follow-up question regarding the disjoint nature of equivalence classes and their union covering the entire set A, leading to a realization that this is indeed correct.

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Participants generally agree on the properties of equivalence classes being disjoint and their union forming the set A, though there are ongoing clarifications and explorations of the implications of these properties.

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Some assumptions regarding the properties of open sets and the density of rational numbers in the reals are implicit in the discussion, and the mathematical rigor of the proofs provided remains a topic of exploration.

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I am reading Stephen Willard: General Topology ... ... and am currently focused on Chapter 1: Set Theory and Metric Spaces and am currently focused on Section 2: Metric Spaces ... ...

I need help in order to fully understand Example 2.7(a) ... .. The relevant text reads as follows:View attachment 9688My questions are as follows:Question 1

In the above example from Willard we read the following;

" ... ... If $$A$$ is an open set in $$\mathbb{R}$$, the relation $$x \sim y$$ iff there is some open interval $$(a, b)$$ with $$\{ x, y \} \subset (a, b) \subset A$$ is an equivalence relation on $$A$$ and the resulting equivalence classes are disjoint open intervals whose union is $$A$$ ... ... "Can someone please demonstrate formally and rigorously that the resulting equivalence classes are disjoint open intervals whose union is $$A$$ ... ... ?Question 2

In the above example from Willard we read the following;

" ... ... The fact that there can be only countably many follows since each must contain a distinct rational ... "

I am somewhat lost in trying to understand this statement ... can someone please explain the meaning of "there can be only countably many follows since each must contain a distinct rational ...?
Help will be much appreciated ... ...

Peter
 

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Hi Peter,

This is a useful result, so it's good to go through it in some detail.

Question 1

Fix one of the equivalence classes and let this set be represented by $p$; i.e., consider $[p].$

To see that $[p]$ has the interval property, let $x,y\in [p]$, with $x<y$. Since $x\sim y$, there is an open interval $(a,b)$ such that $\{x,y\}\subset (a,b)\subset A$. Since $(a,b)$ is an interval, it follows that $(x,y)\subset (a,b)$. Hence, for any $t$ such that $x<t<y$, $\{x,t\}\subset (a,b)\subset A.$ Hence $x\sim t$, and, therefore $p\sim t$ via transitivity of $\sim$. This proves that $[p]$ has the interval property. (Note: we could have also argued that $t\sim y$ to get the same result).

To prove that $[p]$ is open, let $x\in [p]$. Since $x\in A$ and $A$ is open, there is an open interval $(a,b)$ such that $x\in (a,b)\subset A$. It follows that $x\sim y$ for all $y\in (a,b)$. By transitivity, we have $p\sim y$ for all $y\in (a,b)$, from which we conclude that $x\in (a,b)\subset [p]$. Hence, $[p]$ is open.

Question 2

Because the rationals are dense in $\mathbb{R}$, each of the disjoint open intervals from above contains a rational number (in fact, each of the intervals contains infinitely many rationals but that's not important here). From each interval select a single rational number. Since the intervals are disjoint, it follows that the collection of disjoint open intervals is in bijection with a subset of $\mathbb{Q}.$ Since $\mathbb{Q}$ is countable, there can only be countably many such intervals.Hopefully that helps. Feel free to let me know if anything is still unclear.
 
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Hi Peter,

This is a useful result, so it's good to go through it in some detail.

Question 1

Fix one of the equivalence classes and let this set be represented by $p$; i.e., consider $[p].$

To see that $[p]$ has the interval property, let $x,y\in [p]$, with $x<y$. Since $x\sim y$, there is an open interval $(a,b)$ such that $\{x,y\}\subset (a,b)\subset A$. Since $(a,b)$ is an interval, it follows that $(x,y)\subset (a,b)$. Hence, for any $t$ such that $x<t<y$, $\{x,t\}\subset (a,b)\subset A.$ Hence $x\sim t$, and, therefore $p\sim t$ via transitivity of $\sim$. This proves that $[p]$ has the interval property. (Note: we could have also argued that $t\sim y$ to get the same result).

To prove that $[p]$ is open, let $x\in [p]$. Since $x\in A$ and $A$ is open, there is an open interval $(a,b)$ such that $x\in (a,b)\subset A$. It follows that $x\sim y$ for all $y\in (a,b)$. By transitivity, we have $p\sim y$ for all $y\in (a,b)$, from which we conclude that $x\in (a,b)\subset [p]$. Hence, $[p]$ is open.

Question 2

Because the rationals are dense in $\mathbb{R}$, each of the disjoint open intervals from above contains a rational number (in fact, each of the intervals contains infinitely many rationals but that's not important here). From each interval select a single rational number. Since the intervals are disjoint, it follows that the collection of disjoint open intervals is in bijection with a subset of $\mathbb{Q}.$ Since $\mathbb{Q}$ is countable, there can only be countably many such intervals.Hopefully that helps. Feel free to let me know if anything is still unclear.
Thanks so much for the help GJA ...

You write:

" ... ... This proves that $[p]$ has the interval property. ... ..."

I have a followup question: How do we show that the equivalence class are disjoint intervals whose union is A?PeterEDIT! Just realized! Equivalence classes are disjoint! and together make up the whole set!

Is that correct?

Peter
 
Peter said:
EDIT! Just realized! Equivalence classes are disjoint! and together make up the whole set!

Is that correct?

Peter

That's correct, nicely done!
 

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