Optical wireless communication ideas

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The discussion revolves around potential research topics in optical wireless communications, particularly focusing on applications from terrestrial to satellite communication. Participants explore various aspects including theoretical physics, engineering challenges, and the feasibility of different communication methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in optical wireless communications and seeks project ideas that incorporate both physics and engineering aspects.
  • Another participant suggests that a significant portion of the research may involve studying the absorption and scattering of light in the atmosphere, questioning the viability of communication links during adverse weather conditions.
  • A participant references their experience with laser communication systems, highlighting advantages such as bandwidth and security, while also recommending a literature search to identify existing work in the field.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of satellite communication using optical methods, citing limitations such as atmospheric conditions and the effective range of free-space optical communication.
  • Some participants mention existing technologies like RONJA and LiFi, suggesting that prior research should be reviewed to inform new projects.
  • Discussion includes the potential for free-space quantum key distribution (QKD) as a relevant and growing area of research, with references to recent experimental demonstrations.
  • There is a mention of the need for clarity in the project focus, as contradictions in the initial inquiry are noted regarding the impact of weather on communication systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints, with some agreeing on the challenges posed by atmospheric conditions while others propose specific technologies and methods that may overcome these obstacles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for the proposed research project.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the effective range of optical communication and the impact of environmental factors, as well as the need for a focused research question to guide the project.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in optical wireless communication technologies, particularly those exploring theoretical and practical applications in physics and engineering.

ElectroFractal
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Hello PF!

I have developed a recent interest into electro-optics used in communication systems. Specifically speaking, I am mostly interested into Optical wireless communications and their applications, for terrestrial to satellite communication. I am considering to do a research project for my bachelor studies, if I can manage to do it.

I would like to ask for some possible ideas, as I failed to find by myself, as a research topic for a project. It shouldn't be oriented to engineering exclusively, some theory of physics shouldn't be lacking. It could contain some simulations and modelling (in MATLAB, for example), but hardware implementations aren't the first thing I'd do (so far).

According to research of recent date, it is a very promising technology that could solve many problems, so I would like to learn more about it, ideally do some specific project for which I am looking for ideas.
I am not constrained with time, so time-wise everything is acceptable, and I should mention that I am studying Electrical engineering.

Thanks for every reply in advance. Every help is welcome!
 
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I think much of your work will end up being in the absorption and scattering of light in the atmosphere. Will your comm link work through rain and clouds?
 
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ElectroFractal said:
Summary:: I need some ideas to do a project on a specific topic for Optical wireless communications discussed from aspects of physics and engineering.

I am not constrained with time, so time-wise everything is acceptable, and I should mention that I am studying Electrical engineering.

DaveE said:
I think much of your work will end up being in the absorption and scattering of light in the atmosphere. Will your comm link work through rain and clouds?

not likely :wink:

which is why microwave radio links is used
 
ElectroFractal said:
I am not constrained with time
You may be the only person on the planet who can say that, LOL.

Others have already done a bunch of work in this area. I worked for several years on an aircraft to submarine laser comm link (SLCAIR), which worked OK as a DARPA demonstration project. You would be more interested in a program called SLCSAT, a satellite to submarine system. In both cases the advantage is that light goes through salt water better than radio waves, lasers have much greater bandwidth than VLF radio, and lasers are more secure, since they only go where you point them.

Anyway, I digress. You should start your project with a literature search to find out what others already worked out.
 
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ElectroFractal said:
Summary:: I need some ideas to do a project on a specific topic for Optical wireless communications discussed from aspects of physics and engineering.

Hello PF!
Thanks for every reply in advance. Every help is welcome!
This is a very open ended request. You would get a much more useful set of responses if you had some sort of target of interest. What level do you want to work at? This is essentially an Engineering topic as it encompasses a huge number of different aspects of Physics, Comms Theory, Device Technology etc. etc. plus overall Systems Design.

There are contradictions in what you have written so far: For instance, you have said "not likely" to a question about rain and cloud attenuation. That is not consistent with investigating Satellite Communications systems - so which is it to be?

I have to assume that you have read something about the topic and have found at least one or two parts of particular interest. I see you are attracted to a Simulation but merely being able to avoid the graft of building equipment or doing theoretical stuff will not necessarily allow you to construct a useful and convincing study. You still have to know what are the relevant 'knobs to twiddle' in a Simulation.
 
There have been many prior works and attempts in this regard. Please do take a look at technologies like RONJA, LiFi etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RONJA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Fi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_optical_communication

The useful range of free-space optical communication is always limited to around 2 km in the visible spectrum (400nm to 700nm) because of rain, fog, snow, dust, scattering Line of Sight requirement etc. So, communicating with a Satellite looks very difficult.
 
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Anand Sivaram said:
There have been many prior works and attempts in this regard. Please do take a look at technologies like RONJA, LiFi etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RONJA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Fi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-space_optical_communication

The useful range of free-space optical communication is always limited to around 2 km in the visible spectrum (400nm to 700nm) because of rain, fog, snow, dust, scattering Line of Sight requirement etc. So, communicating with a Satellite looks very difficult.
When the frequency allocations were bid for by the startup satellite broadcasters, the options were all studied in detail. No one went for optical uplinks or downlinks - for very good reasons. Same goes for terrestrial links. Optical frequencies are great for fibre comms and also would be well suited to space comms, all other things being equal.
 
What about free space QKD? Here lasers ARE used for terrestrial-to-satellite communication.
It is currently a hot topic and it is growing very quickly, the first experimental demonstration was done by the Chinese (who has a satellite specifically made for this) quite recently.
Of course this would need to be theoretical project, but I suspect you could do a fair amount of interesting modelling.
 
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f95toli said:
What about free space QKD? Here lasers ARE used for terrestrial-to-satellite communication.
It is currently a hot topic and it is growing very quickly,
Interesting, thanks for the info. Here is a paper that I found with a quick Google search:

https://www.nature.com/articles/nphoton.2017.116

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@f95toli QKD. I was thinking in terms of a continuously available channel but using patches of good viz suits some applications. (I was in broadcasting so hence my reaction)
 

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