Optics - Find the refractive index

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the refractive index of a spherical object given the distances of an object and its final image relative to the sphere. The discussion centers around the application of refraction principles at spherical surfaces and the use of Snell's law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore ray-tracing techniques and question the implications of the geometry involved. There are discussions about the relationships between angles of incidence and refraction, as well as the conditions under which rays converge at an image.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the setup and the implications of their calculations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of Snell's law and the small-angle approximation, but there remains uncertainty about the interpretation of certain angles and the overall approach to finding the refractive index.

Contextual Notes

There are constraints related to the assumptions about the object and image distances, as well as the nature of the images formed by the spherical surfaces. Participants are also navigating the implications of real versus virtual images in their reasoning.

  • #31
ehild said:
The formula you used to find the image distance is derived from Snell's Law, using small-angle approximation. Was not it shown to you?
Yes, it was shown to me, I forgot about it. Thanks a lot ehild! :)
By the way, you get the same refractive index with your method if you solve the last equation correctly.
I still don't get the correct answer with that equation. I always end up with 0=-4. I feel there is some sign error in my last equation but I can't spot it. :frown:
 
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  • #32
\frac{1}{R}-\cfrac{\mu}{\cfrac{(4-\mu)R}{\mu-2}}=\frac{1-\mu}{-R}\rightarrow
1-\frac{\mu(\mu-2)}{4-\mu}=-1+\mu\rightarrow 2-\mu+\frac{\mu(2-\mu)}{4-\mu}=0 \rightarrow \left(2-\mu\right) \left(1+\frac{\mu}{4-\mu}\right)=0

2-μ can be factored out, and you get a product equal to zero. One of the factors must be zero. The second one can not. Never "simplify" an equation dividing by a term that contains the unknown!
 
  • #33
ehild said:
\frac{1}{R}-\cfrac{\mu}{\cfrac{(4-\mu)R}{\mu-2}}=\frac{1-\mu}{-R}\rightarrow
1-\frac{\mu(\mu-2)}{4-\mu}=-1+\mu\rightarrow 2-\mu+\frac{\mu(2-\mu)}{4-\mu}=0 \rightarrow \left(2-\mu\right) \left(1+\frac{\mu}{4-\mu}\right)=0

2-μ can be factored out, and you get a product equal to zero. One of the factors must be zero. The second one can not. Never "simplify" an equation dividing by a term that contains the unknown!



Thanks a lot ehild! I need to be more careful while solving the equations. Thanks. :)
 

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