Optics: how to make eye focus in distance?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of enabling the human eye to focus on distant objects while viewing content on a close screen, particularly in the context of myopia. Participants explore theoretical and practical solutions, including the use of software and optical devices.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a smartphone camera application can be modified to allow the eye to focus on distant objects while viewing through the screen, suggesting a need for a program that simulates a transparent glass effect.
  • Another participant suggests that using a lens between the screen and the viewer can achieve the desired effect, referencing existing products like "full page magnifiers."
  • A different viewpoint proposes that displaying stereogram images could force the eyes to focus at a distance, allowing for a 3D effect while reading text displayed on a screen.
  • Concerns are raised that techniques like stereograms do not change the focus of the eye lens, which is crucial for myopia, as they only alter the perceived depth without addressing the actual focus distance.
  • Participants discuss the potential difficulties children may face in learning to view stereograms, particularly the challenge of focusing on nearby objects while not converging the eyes inward.
  • One participant emphasizes that the relationship between focus settings in normal viewing is natural, and decoupling these settings could lead to eye fatigue and headaches.
  • Another participant clarifies that while magnifying glasses help those with hyperopia, the original inquiry seeks an opposite effect for myopic individuals, questioning the feasibility of achieving this with software alone.
  • It is noted that when the eyes are focused at infinity, light rays from closer objects diverge and do not form a focused image on the retina, regardless of the displayed pattern.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of software solutions versus optical devices, with no consensus reached on whether a purely software-based approach can achieve the desired outcome for myopic individuals.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in current understanding of how to effectively decouple focus settings and the implications for eye strain, particularly in the context of myopia and stereoscopic viewing.

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Hello!

I have a theoretical & practical question.

Theorecical:

I noticed that when I turn on my smart phone camera application and look 'through it' on some distant object, holding smart phone 30 cm from my eyes, then my eyes are focused on 30 cm and not in distance.

Is there a way (i.e. using a computer program) to make smart phone camera application be like a transparent glass, i.e. so there will be no difference looking to a distant object through glass or through smart phone via camera?

And now the practical question:

For people with myopia (especially children) reading books worsens the myopia. When reading, a person holds book about 25 cm from eyes and his/her lens muscles are tensed which raises pressure inside the eye and eventually (with myopia people only) cause the eye-ball to become longer and increases myopia.

The solution for this problem would be to project an electronic book to a distant screen and read from this screen. But this is not so convenient, because in this case you cannot read where ever you want, you are bound to the room with the screen and the screen should be huge etc.

Why instead not to use a computer program which displays on a normal iPad the content of the book, but causes the eye to focus in distance, similar to what the Google glasses do?

I am wondering if there is such software and how it should work from geometrical optics point of view.
 
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You can't achieve this with software, but a lens between the screen and the viewer (at a distance approximately equal to the focal length of the lens from the screen) will do it.

Products have been available for some time to achieve this - search for "full page magnifier" - and they work just as well with a book!
 
Hi leonid.ge! If you display a stereogram image on the screen then it can be arranged that your eyes must focus at a long distance in order for you to gain the 3D effect needed to perceive the desired image. The text of a book's page could be displayed as a stereogram image, thereby forcing the reader to totally relax their focus in order to read it. (There are ways to stop them cheating and closing one eye then focussing the other on the screen to read as they normally would!)

A google search on "stereogram" should turn up a wealth of material. It's a fun topic. You use software to construct the image.

Good luck!
 
For the 'full page magnifire' that you mentioned - this is just a magnifying glass that is useful for people fith hyperopia (who cannot focus their eyes enough to see close objects).

In fact I am looking for an opposite effect: focus your eyes in large distance, but see things on computer screen which is close to you. I don't really understand why this cannot be achieved with software. It seems to me that you can run software which will model images of the letters on computer screen as so they are in distance.

The observer will have to look 'through' the screen, as though he/she looks at something in far distance behind the screen. It is similar to watching 3D autostereoscopic images (Google 'Autostereoscopic text' images).
 
leonid.ge said:
For people with myopia...
The techniques you are referring too, do not change the focus of the eye lens (which is relevant for myopia). They create the depth effect by changing the focus of the looking direction of the two eyes, while the lens focus is still on the near screen.
 
A.T. said:
The techniques you are referring too, do not change the focus of the eye lens (which is relevant for myopia). They create the depth effect by changing the focus of the looking direction of the two eyes, while the lens focus is still on the near screen.
That's a good point. It could explain why people (children, in particular) have such difficulty in learning how to view stereograms---focussing near while not turning the eyes inwards is something we've never needed to attempt before in real life.
 
NascentOxygen said:
That's a good point. It could explain why people (children, in particular) have such difficulty in learning how to view stereograms---focussing near while not turning the eyes inwards is something we've never needed to attempt before in real life.
In normal viewing there is a direct relationship between the two different focus settings (lens, stereo), that the brain learns alowing it to adjust the lens and stereo simultaneously. Decoupling the two different focus settings is unnatural and could be responsible for eye-fatigue and headaches, that many experience from 3D effects.
 
leonid.ge said:
For the 'full page magnifire' that you mentioned - this is just a magnifying glass that is useful for people fith hyperopia (who cannot focus their eyes enough to see close objects).

Exactly. They can only focus on images which are further away (e.g. at infinity), which is exactly what you are looking for. Note that the magnifying effect is only a by-product of the lens's principal action which is to create a virtual image at a greater distance - if all it did was magnify then the letters would be bigger but just as blurry.

In fact I am looking for an opposite effect: focus your eyes in large distance, but see things on computer screen which is close to you. I don't really understand why this cannot be achieved with software.

Because when your eyes are focused at infinity light rays that are parallel are focused on your retina. Light rays from an object closer to you are diverging and therefore do not form a focused image on your retina: it does not matter what pattern is displayed on the screen, if the eye is focused at infinity it will see a blur.
 

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