Optimization Problems: Finding Minimum Area using Second Derivative Test

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The problem involves optimizing the area of a rectangle and a square formed from a fixed length of wire. The rectangle is specified to be twice as long as it is wide, and the total length of the wire is 51 meters. The goal is to determine how much wire is used for each shape to minimize the combined area, using the second derivative test for verification.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the setup of primary and secondary equations, questioning the necessity of a third variable and the assumptions made about the dimensions of the rectangle and square. There is a focus on correctly defining the dimensions based on the problem's constraints.

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The discussion is active with participants providing clarifications on the dimensions of the shapes and the equations involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of the rectangle's dimensions and the relationship between the rectangle and the square. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored.

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Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings regarding the dimensions of the rectangle and square, as well as the use of the second derivative test in this context. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the equations reflect the problem's conditions accurately.

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A 51 meter length of wire is cut into two parts.  
The first part is fashioned into a rectangle that is twice as long as it is wide.  
The second part is fashioned into a square.  
How much of the originial wire is used for each shape 
if the shapes' combined area is a minimum?  
Use the second derivative test(S.D.T.) to determine the minimum.
Couple of questions/comments on this problem. Why the SDT? Out of all the examples in the bookn either max or min optimization problems don't do the SDT. They do the first derivative test to determine critical values to solve the problem. Second question is my primary and secondary equations set up right? This the primary equation:
A = xy + x^2
Secondary:
51 = 2(2x + y) + 4x
 
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Why are you assuming the rectangle has a short side equal to a side of the square? That's not necessarily the case.
 
So I need a third variable? I'm starting to understand this less and less.
 
No you don't need a third variable, because the length of the wire was given. You've made two mistakes here.

1.) The dimensions of the rectangle aren't 2x by y, they're 2x by x. They told you that one dimension is twice the other.

Then there's the mistake that daveb pointed out.

2.) You're assuming that each side of the square has the same length as the width of the rectangle. That isn't necessarily the case, so call it something else (like y).
 
No, you only need two variables because you haven't used "a rectangle that is twice as long as it is wide".

You are cutting the wire into two pieces. One is used to form a rectangle. Since the "rectangle is twice as long as it is wide", you can call the width of the rectangle x and the length will be 2x. Then the area is 2x2 and the perimeter (the length of that piece of wire) is 2x+ 2(2x)= 6x. The other piece is used to form a square. Call the length of a side of the square y. Then the area is y2 and the perimeter (the length of that piece of wire) is 4y. Since the entire wire has length 51 m, you have 6x+ 4y= 51 and want to minimize 2x2+ y2 subject to that constraint.

The second derivative test can be used determine if your critical point is a minimum.
 
Thanks for the help! Times like these make me wonder about my math career.:frown:
 

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