Optimization Math Help: Finding Minimum Enclosed Area with Wire Cut

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The discussion focuses on optimizing the enclosed area formed by cutting an 8 cm wire into two pieces, one for a circle and the other for a square. The area functions are defined as A(l) = (l²/16) + ((8-l)²/(4π)), where l is the length of the wire used for the square. Participants emphasize the importance of correctly identifying the dimensions of each shape based on the wire lengths and applying calculus to find the minimum area by taking the derivative of the area function and setting it to zero.

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  • #31


Mark44 said:
You could use the quotient rule if you don't mind working harder than you need to. For example, you could use the quotient rule to differentiate f(x) = x/4, but that would be silly. Instead, you could notice that x/4 = (1/4)x, so d/dx(x/4) = d/dx(1/4*x) = 1/4 * d/dx(x), using the constant-multiple rule.

In your case d/dx[(8 - x)2/16 + x2/(4pi)] = (1/16) d/dx(8 - x)2) + 1/(4pi)*d/dx(x2). (I also used the sum rule for derivatives.)

Yes, that is what I mean :)

I got x = --
Edit: wrong answer.
 
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We have A(x) = (1/16)(8 - x)2 + (1/(4pi)x2.
A'(x) = ?

Your answer should be an equation.
 
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Mark44 said:
We have A(x) = (1/16)(8 - x)2 + (1/(4pi)x2.
A'(x) = ?

Your answer should be an equation.

A'(x) = \frac{-16+2x}{16} + \frac{x}{2\pi}

However, I have to set the first derivative to 0 so I can find at which x value it should be cut so the area is small as possible (critical point - max/min value).
 
  • #34


Your A'(x) is correct, but it would be better to simplify it. You can rewrite it as A'(x) = (x - 8)/8 + x/(2pi).

There is also a domain to consider, since A(x) is not defined for all real numbers. For example, even though you can calculate a value for A(-8), you can't cut the wire at -8 cm.

Your critical point will come at a point where A'(x) = 0 or at an endpoint of the domain. What is the implied domain for A(x) = (1/16)(8 - x)2 + (1/(4pi)x2?
 
  • #35


0<x<8 (cannot be equal to since it makes no sense to cut 8 cm or 0 cm.) X is the element of any real number is the domain.

So I can't solve now?

Edit: 0 and 8 do not work .
 
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You can choose to not make the cut at all, so that you make only a square or only a circle. So the domain of A(x) is {x in the real numbers| 0 <= x <= 8}.

Now finish the problem. Be sure to check x = 0 and x = 8 after you have solved A'(x) = 0. That way you can be sure you have found the absolute maximum area.
 

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