Optimization Math Help: Finding Minimum Enclosed Area with Wire Cut

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The problem involves optimizing the total enclosed area formed by a piece of wire that is 8 cm long, which is cut into two pieces: one piece is bent to form a circle, and the other to form a square. The objective is to determine how to cut the wire to minimize the total area enclosed by both shapes.

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  • Participants discuss how to set up the problem, with some suggesting different variables for the lengths of wire used for the square and circle. There are attempts to derive the area functions for both shapes based on the wire lengths. Questions arise regarding the assumptions about the dimensions and how to relate the lengths of wire to the areas of the figures.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants exploring different interpretations of how to allocate the wire lengths to the square and circle. Some have proposed formulas for the areas based on their assumptions, while others are questioning the validity of those assumptions and the relationships between the wire lengths and the resulting dimensions of the shapes.

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There is confusion regarding the setup of the problem, particularly about how to correctly express the dimensions of the square and circle based on the lengths of wire used. Participants are also grappling with the implications of the perimeter and area relationships for both shapes.

  • #31


Mark44 said:
You could use the quotient rule if you don't mind working harder than you need to. For example, you could use the quotient rule to differentiate f(x) = x/4, but that would be silly. Instead, you could notice that x/4 = (1/4)x, so d/dx(x/4) = d/dx(1/4*x) = 1/4 * d/dx(x), using the constant-multiple rule.

In your case d/dx[(8 - x)2/16 + x2/(4pi)] = (1/16) d/dx(8 - x)2) + 1/(4pi)*d/dx(x2). (I also used the sum rule for derivatives.)

Yes, that is what I mean :)

I got x = --
Edit: wrong answer.
 
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  • #32


We have A(x) = (1/16)(8 - x)2 + (1/(4pi)x2.
A'(x) = ?

Your answer should be an equation.
 
  • #33


Mark44 said:
We have A(x) = (1/16)(8 - x)2 + (1/(4pi)x2.
A'(x) = ?

Your answer should be an equation.

A'(x) = \frac{-16+2x}{16} + \frac{x}{2\pi}

However, I have to set the first derivative to 0 so I can find at which x value it should be cut so the area is small as possible (critical point - max/min value).
 
  • #34


Your A'(x) is correct, but it would be better to simplify it. You can rewrite it as A'(x) = (x - 8)/8 + x/(2pi).

There is also a domain to consider, since A(x) is not defined for all real numbers. For example, even though you can calculate a value for A(-8), you can't cut the wire at -8 cm.

Your critical point will come at a point where A'(x) = 0 or at an endpoint of the domain. What is the implied domain for A(x) = (1/16)(8 - x)2 + (1/(4pi)x2?
 
  • #35


0<x<8 (cannot be equal to since it makes no sense to cut 8 cm or 0 cm.) X is the element of any real number is the domain.

So I can't solve now?

Edit: 0 and 8 do not work .
 
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  • #36


You can choose to not make the cut at all, so that you make only a square or only a circle. So the domain of A(x) is {x in the real numbers| 0 <= x <= 8}.

Now finish the problem. Be sure to check x = 0 and x = 8 after you have solved A'(x) = 0. That way you can be sure you have found the absolute maximum area.
 

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