Optimized Create 1kHz Square Wave Oscillator in Multisim

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around creating a square wave oscillator using an op-amp in Multisim, specifically targeting a frequency of 1 kHz and a duty cycle of 60%. Participants explore circuit design, component placement, and signal characteristics.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares their circuit design and expresses confusion over unexpected waveform characteristics, specifically "bumps" in the output signal.
  • Another participant suggests reconsidering the capacitor's placement and the input signal's voltage level, indicating that a 10V signal into a 5V op-amp could lead to saturation.
  • A participant questions whether the input signal should be 5V and mentions that removing the capacitor did not affect the output signal.
  • Another participant advises redesigning the circuit to use the capacitor as a charge reservoir to achieve the desired duty cycle, noting limitations in adjusting duty cycle values.
  • One participant expresses frustration over the lack of clarity regarding input signals in square wave generator resources and shares an alternative circuit design that still does not meet expectations.
  • A suggestion is made to check the op-amp inputs and the polarity in the design, recommending placing the input in parallel with the capacitor.
  • One participant reports success after removing the AC power source, adjusting the DC voltage to 15V, and adding a -15V source, indicating that the circuit now functions as intended.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on circuit design and component placement, with no consensus reached on the optimal configuration. Some participants provide suggestions while others share their experiences, leading to a mix of agreement on certain points and disagreement on others.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings regarding the role of components in the circuit, the impact of input signal levels, and the specific configuration needed to achieve the desired waveform characteristics.

Who May Find This Useful

Students or hobbyists working on electronics projects involving square wave oscillators, particularly those using op-amps and simulation software like Multisim.

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Homework Statement



The assignment is to create a square wave oscillator using an op-amp in Multisim. The wave's frequency should be 1 kHz and the duty cycle 60%.

Homework Equations



f = 1 / (R*C)
R1 < R
R1 < Rf

I guess.

The Attempt at a Solution



Here's what I've done:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8494/sqwavegenaj6.png

(It's such a basic textbook example.) I don't know why the wave form looks like that. The problem is those unnecessary "bumps" that should be flat:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4951/osczh4.png

Am I doing something wrong (very probable) or what?
 
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just had a look, you may want to think about where you are placing the Cap in your circuit, what purpose does in play on the output from the signal Gen. Also, Placing a 10 Volt signal injection into a 5v Op amp will drive the output to Saturation? think about what is the appropiate signal input.
 
So the input signal should be 5V? And I even tried removing the capacitor, but it didn't seem to have any effect in the output signal.

I would really appreciate it if someone could even show me the right direction to go from here.
 
Well at the moment, The cap where it is now, looks like its acting as a DC filter, Redesign the circuit so the cap works as a reservoir so it store an amount of charge to effect the output, this hopefully will give you your 40:60 Duty cycle. It does work, although its very limited on how far you can push the duty cycle limits. I used a version of crocclips to simulate the circuit.
 
I just don't get it. Every website that tells about square wave generators have these kind of pictures:
square.gif


Where's the input signal? I even tried this but:
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4063/oscqp1.png
 

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well its almost there, Have a look at the Op Amp inputs, the polarity is different on your design, and the input is in the wrong place. Try in parallel with the cap.
 
I finally got it! I removed the AC power source since this is an oscillator, not a square wave inverter. I changed the DC voltage to 15 V and added a -15 V source to the pin 4. Works perfectly. Thanks.
 
cool. good to hear.
 

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