Troubleshooting Multisim Simulation of 4017 Chip

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around troubleshooting the simulation of a 4017 chip in Multisim. Participants explore issues related to the expected output behavior of the chip, specifically focusing on the ~Q5-9 outputs when driven by a square wave input. The scope includes technical explanations and potential solutions for simulation discrepancies.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports that the ~Q5-9 outputs of the 4017 chip do not change from 0 V despite other outputs functioning correctly, suggesting a possible wiring issue.
  • Another participant questions whether all necessary connections, such as enables, power, and reset, have been made correctly in the simulation setup.
  • A third participant inquires about the method for setting the trigger source for the simulation component XSC1.
  • A later reply indicates that the issue was resolved by adding two inverters in series with the ~O5-9 output to amplify the signal, although the participant expresses confusion about the necessity of this amplification given that other outputs work without it.
  • The participant mentions an intention to use the 74HC4017 version of the chip in reality, expressing hope that the amplification will not be required with the actual components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the underlying cause of the initial issue with the ~Q5-9 outputs, as the discussion includes various troubleshooting suggestions and a resolution that raises further questions about the simulation's behavior.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the simulation setup, including the need for proper connections and the behavior of the outputs in relation to the specific chip version being used.

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I am attempting to simulate the 4017 chip in multisim but I am not getting the expected result. I doubt that multisim is incorrectly simulating the chip, so I think that I am probably just hooking it up incorrectly.

http://www.doctronics.co.uk/4017.htm"
http://www.doctronics.co.uk/pdf_files/4017.pdf"

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/9333/multisimxr7.th.png

As you can see from the picture, I am giving the 4017 a square wave input and everything works except ~Q5-9 doesn't seem to work at all. For some reason, I can't seem to get ~Q5-9 to change from 0 V no matter what I do. According to the doctronics website and the datasheet, this pin should be high when Q0 to Q4 is high... but it never is.

Does anyone know what I am doing incorrectly? Unfortunately I do not have the actual chip to do this in reality.
 
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It's very hard to read how you have it hooked up from your diagram. Have you connected all the enables? Power, reset, etc.?
 
I don't know about multisim but, how do you set the trigger source of XSC1?
 
Thanks for your replies,

I was able to get it to work correctly after putting two inverters in series with the ~O5-9 output to amplify the signal.

I don't see why I needed to amplify this signal when the other outputs work just fine...
In reality I plan on using the 74hc4017 not the cmos version but I hope that I won't have to do that once I get the actual chips.
 

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