1. Not finding help here? Sign up for a free 30min tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Orbits of Satellites-Proportions and Escape Speed

  1. Nov 10, 2011 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    A missile is launched upward with a speed that is half the escape speed. What height (in radii of Earth) will it reach?

    a. R/4
    b. R/3
    c. R/2
    d. R
    e. 2R

    2. Relevant equations

    escape speed=√(2GM/r)

    3. The attempt at a solution

    r is inversely proportional to the square of the speed so if v is now 2v then r will be r/4
    the answer key says its supposed to be r/3 :s
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Nov 10, 2011 #2

    gneill

    User Avatar

    Staff: Mentor

    How does v become 2v? When the rocket reaches is maximum height its velocity will be zero.

    Why not look at the specific mechanical energy, [itex]\xi[/itex] (the sum of the kinetic energy and potential energy per unit mass) which is always constant for any body in orbit (or free-fall)?

    [tex] \xi= \frac{v^2}{2} - \frac{\mu}{r} [/tex]

    Also note that height is not the same thing as radius :wink:
     
  4. Nov 10, 2011 #3
    i meant v/2

    can we use the formula

    v=√(GM*((1/r(earth))+(1/r(height)))??
     
  5. Nov 10, 2011 #4
    Actually the problem doesn't make sense to me either. Maybe I have already forgotten my mechanic stuff.

    the v becomes v/2, that means KE/4
    KE/4 = PE/4, my equation is (GMm/r²)*r*1/4 that is GMm/4r.
    The rocket reaches 3R height and velocity becomes zero and starts to fall back to Earth surface.

    So what have I done wrong?
     
  6. Nov 10, 2011 #5

    gneill

    User Avatar

    Staff: Mentor

    Okay, why does the velocity become v/2 ?
    I don't recognize that formula. Where does it come from?
     
  7. Nov 10, 2011 #6
    Because the speed is half the escape speed and he formula is the escape speed formula but usualy the height is set to infinity so we get the formula from the beggining but in his case we are being asked for he height so we need it
     
  8. Nov 10, 2011 #7

    gneill

    User Avatar

    Staff: Mentor

    Ah. So your v/2 is the initial velocity, Vesc/2. Got it.

    Since [itex] V_{esc} = \sqrt{\frac{2 \mu}{r_e}}[/itex] you can plug 1/2 of that into the total mechanical energy formula I gave above to find the constant energy [itex]\xi[/itex] at launch time. With that energy you can use the same formula again to find r when the velocity becomes zero. Note that the total mechanical energy formula is just a statement of the conservation of energy, in this case kinetic and potential energy.
     
  9. Nov 10, 2011 #8
    what is μ in this formula??
     
  10. Nov 10, 2011 #9

    gneill

    User Avatar

    Staff: Mentor

    It's the gravitational parameter for the Earth: μ = GM
     
  11. Nov 10, 2011 #10

    D H

    User Avatar
    Staff Emeritus
    Science Advisor

    Just to add: The gravitational parameter for some object μ is observable in and of itself if that object has sub-objects in orbit about it. In many cases, scientists know μ to a very high degree of precision (e.g., eleven decimal places for the Sun). In comparison, G is arguably the least known of all key constants in physics (only four or so decimal places). In fact, the primary evidence for many astronomical objects' mass is μ/G for that object.

    Bottom line: It's not just a matter of convenience to lump GM into a single parameter μ. In many cases, using μ rather than GM is conceptually more precise (G and M are known to four places, μ to nine or more) and more correct (M is just μ/G).
     
  12. Nov 10, 2011 #11
    Actually nevermind, I see how now.

    KE - PE(earth) = 0 for escaping gravity.
    now KE is 1/4 because v is v/2.
    So
    PE(earth) - KE = 3PE/4 (the potential energy at the point where KE has taken the Satellite to.)

    That is 3*GMm/ 4r
    In other word it is 4r/3.
    That is r/3 above Earth's radius.
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2011
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook




Similar Discussions: Orbits of Satellites-Proportions and Escape Speed
Loading...