Orbitting electron moved to Magnetic Field

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The problem involves an electron in a hydrogen atom moving in a circular orbit, which is then placed in a magnetic field. The context is centered around calculating the change in frequency of the electron's motion due to the influence of the magnetic field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial calculation of frequency and the forces acting on the electron, including the magnetic force and the electric force. There are considerations about whether to use the quadratic formula to solve for velocity and how the magnetic field affects the overall motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some have attempted calculations and shared their results, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the forces involved and the potential simplifications that could be applied.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the possibility of ignoring relativistic effects and express uncertainty about the significance of the magnetic field's influence on the electron's motion. There is mention of numerical methods being used to assist with calculations.

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Homework Statement



An electron in a hydrogen atom moves in a circular orbit of radius 5.10×10-11 m at a speed of 2.80×106 m/s. Suppose the hydrogen atom is transported into a magnetic field of 0.70 T, where the magnetic field is parallel to the orbital angular momentum. What is the change of frequency of the motion of the electron?



Homework Equations




frequency=v/(2*pi*r)
F=qvB
acircle=v2/r

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, the initial frequency would be 2.800*106/(5*10-11*2*pi)= 8.7379*10^15 Hz.

If I then take qvB=mv2/r, and rearrange for r and stick that result into the frequency formula, I get qB/(2*pi*m)= 1.959*1010, 5 orders of magnitude less and thus essentially insignificant compared to the intial amount. Clearly this is wrong. However, I don't know what else to try from here.

Help?

(Oh, and although I doubt it'd matter looking at the initial speed, but I'm fairly confident any relativistic effects can be safely ignored.)
 
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You wrote:
F=qvB​
That is the force due to the magnetic field. What other force acts on the electron (and thus contributes to the overall net force)?
 
Whatever force that was keeping it orbitting in the first place would still be there I suppose.

That force would be the electric force I guess, so F=qE=mvi2/r would be the initial force.

I suppose I could work out that initial force numerically, getting some number Fe.

Would it be possible to then have Fe+QvB=mv2/r, and solve that for v, substituting that result into the frequency formula?

Or would something else change complicating matters? (Or, am I barking down the wrong tree altogether?)

edit: Fe+QvB=mv2/r would need to be solved via the quadratic formula would it not?
 
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I haven't actually solved it, so I'll just say that yes, it appears like the quadratic formula is the way to go here.

That being said, there might be some approximation that would simplify things, based on the QvB term is much, much smaller than both Fe and mv2/r. I don't know for sure if that is useful, just thought I'd mention it.
 
Doing it by hand, this method didn't work.

However, with some help from excel to carry decimals all the way through, it did work (my 'by hand' was close though...). Silly computer being picky about answers...

Anyway, thanks!

Incidently, the change in v was about 3.1 m/s, so that field really didn't make much of a difference relatively speaking...
 

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