Organic Sample with Hydrochloric Acid and Sodium Hydroxide

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the reactions of various organic compounds with hydrochloric acid (HCl), sodium hydroxide (NaOH), and sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3). Participants explore the solubility and miscibility of these compounds in different solvents, questioning the underlying reasons for their behavior in these reactions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the polarity of compounds like NaHCO3, amyl acetate, benzoic acid, phenol, and ethylamine in the context of their reactions with HCl and NaOH.
  • Another participant questions the distinction between "soluble" and "miscible," suggesting that the organic sample may not be acidic or basic due to the lack of significant changes in dissolution.
  • A participant clarifies that the organic samples are being tested for reactions with HCl, NaOH, and NaHCO3.
  • There is a request for a description of the experimental scope and procedures involved in testing the solubility of each compound.
  • One participant notes that if an organic sample can be protonated or deprotonated, this could increase its ionic character, potentially favoring its solubility in water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons behind the observed solubility and miscibility behaviors of the organic samples. Multiple viewpoints and questions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include a lack of clarity on the definitions of solubility and miscibility, as well as the specific conditions under which the reactions were tested.

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I am confused with how these reaction occurs. I don't know the
polarity of compunds like NaHCO3, Amyl acetate, Benzoic Acid, Phenol, and EthylamineOrganic Sample with 1M HC with 1M NaOH with NaHCO3
Amyl acetate insoluble insoluble X
Cyclohexane insoluble insoluble X
Ethylamine miscible miscible X
Ethanol soluble soluble X
Benzoic Acid(solid) insoluble soluble soluble(effervescence)
Phenol immiscible miscible insoluble(no bubbles)

why is it the organic sample reacted with the HCl and NaOH and NaHCO3 in that
manner?
 
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What's the distinction here between soluble and miscible ; are they both homogenous? What's with the "X"? My guess is that the organic sample is not acidic or basic since their is no change in dissolution in solvents with no significant acidic or basic groups.
 
The Organic samples listed are observed if there are any reactions with HCl, NaOH and NaHCO3
 
Describe the scope of this experiment e.g. procedures.
 
test the solubility of each compound by adding 1ml of 1M HCl. Repeat using 1ml of 1M HCl.

test amyl acetate with 1M HCl and 1M NaOH
test cyclohexane with 1M HCl and 1M NaOH
test ethylamine with 1M HCl and 1M NaOH
test trimethyl amine with 1M HCl and 1M NaOH
test ethanol with 1M HCl and 1M NaOH
test bezoic acid with 1M HCl and 1M NaOH and NaHCO3
test phenol with 1M HCl and 1M NaOH and NaHCO3
 
Well in general if the organic sample can be protonated or deprotonated this increases the ionic character and thus the partition coefficient in favor of water.
 

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