Orthogonally diagonalizing the matrix

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The discussion revolves around the topic of orthogonal diagonalization of matrices within the context of linear algebra. Participants are examining a specific matrix and exploring the process of finding an orthogonal matrix and a diagonal matrix that satisfy the orthogonal diagonalization condition.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to find eigenvalues and eigenvectors for the given matrix, expressing confusion about the independence of vectors and the implications for orthogonal diagonalization. Other participants question the terminology used and explore the concept of eigenspaces, suggesting that there may be a misunderstanding regarding the number of eigenvectors and their spans.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing hints and suggestions for clarifying terminology and understanding vector spaces. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between different eigenvectors and their corresponding eigenspaces, but no consensus has been reached regarding the original poster's concerns about orthogonal diagonalization.

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There is mention of specific eigenvalues and eigenvectors, as well as the potential for free variables in the context of the original poster's calculations. The discussion also touches on the requirements of the homework and the importance of orthogonal diagonalization as specified by the instructor.

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Homework Statement



This is for linear algebra/matrix:

Orthogonally diagonalize this matrix A by finding an orthogonal matrix Q and a diagonal matrix D such that QTAQ = D

A =
[ 1 2 2 ]
[ 2 1 2 ]
[ 2 2 1 ]

Homework Equations



(A - [tex]\lambda[/tex]I ) = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



D =
[5 0 0 ]
[0 -1 0 ]
[0 0 -1 ]

characteristic equation : -[tex]\lambda[/tex]3 + [tex]\lambda[/tex]2 + 9[tex]\lambda[/tex] + 5 = 0

[tex]\lambda[/tex] = 5, -1, -1 (I got these after factoring the characteristic equation)

when [tex]\lambda[/tex] = 5, I got v1 = [ 1 1 1 ]

Then I'm almost done but I got stuck when trying to find v2 and v3 when [tex]\lambda[/tex] = -1 because when I tried to do it, it turned out weird (it turned into a zero matrix!):
[ 0 0 0 ]
[ 0 0 0 ]
[ 0 0 0 ]

So I think it means that x1 , x2 and x3 are all free variables for v2 and v3 , but if that's the case, then how can I make v1 v2 v3 into an orthogonal matrix if they're not independent?? I almost got it but I've no idea what to do now! Does this mean that it is not possible to orthogonally diagonalize it?
 
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Ok, I'm pretty sure I got it but I still have a problem.
[edit] sorry for making it complicated earlier.
I'll dumb down my problem:

I need help seeing that this matrix
[ 1 1 1 ]
[ 1 1 1 ]
[ 1 1 1 ]

have these two eigenvectors:
[-1, 1, 0]

[-1, 0, 1]

how?
I keep getting [ 0 -1 -1 ] and [ -1 0 -1 ]
 
war485 said:
have these two eigenvectors:
[-1, 1, 0]

[-1, 0, 1]

how?
I keep getting [ 0 -1 -1 ] and [ -1 0 -1 ]
It is impossible for a matrix to have exactly two eigenvectors. Instead, it might have a two-dimensional space of eigenvectors...

(incidentally, it's very easy to check if a given vector is an eigenvector...)
 
maybe I used the wrong terminology.
I think I meant that one of its eigenspace is the span of { [-1, 1, 0] , [-1, 0, 1] }
but I can't see how.

But I can see that its other eigenspace is [ 1 1 1 ]
 
First, I claim that it's very easy to show that that span is a subspace of the -1 eigenspace, just by direct verification.


Secondly, I was trying to give you a hint by making you use more precise terminology. The problem is to find a particular vector space. Your answer key specified a basis for some vector space. Your work computed a basis for some vector space. You're focusing too much on the fact that your basis is different than the answer key's basis... but you haven't spent any effort checking whether or not the answer key's vector space is equal to or different from your vector space...

If you're given spanning sets for two vector spaces, how do you check if they're equal or not?
 
Why orthogonally diagonalize a matrix?
 
matqkks said:
Why orthogonally diagonalize a matrix?
Because your teacher requires it on homework or a test?

But there are many good reasons to diagonalize a matrix- diagonal matrices are far easier to work with that other matrices- it becomes easy to take any power, find the exponential, or, generally, any function that has a Taylor's series.

"Orhogonally" diagonalizing a matrix is not quite as important but any matrix that can be diagonalized can be diagonlized using orthogonal matrices. And orthogonal matrices are relatively easy to handle.
 

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