Oscillator Equation - Energy Conservation

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of energy in the context of the oscillator equation, specifically examining the mathematical formulation and proof of energy conservation within this system. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to differential equations and energy expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes to show energy conservation by assuming a solution of the form s(t) = A cos(ωt) and calculating the energy as E = 1/2(A²)(ω²).
  • Another participant suggests a more direct approach by taking the time derivative of the energy expression and using the oscillator equation to demonstrate that the derivative is zero, indicating conservation.
  • A later reply confirms that by showing dE/dt = 0, energy conservation has been established, although a typo in the expression is noted regarding the terms involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods to demonstrate energy conservation, but there is a minor disagreement regarding the correct expression in one of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the form of the solution and the dependence on the oscillator equation. The resolution of the typo does not affect the overall conclusion about energy conservation.

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Given the Oscillator equation:

\frac{d2s}{dt2} + \omega2s = 0

Show that the energy:

E=1/2(\frac{ds}{dt})2 + 1/2\omega2s2

is conserved.

Any help at all appreciated! Thankyou
 
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I think i have it. By assuming a solution of the form

s(t)=Acos(wt)

and showing that the energy = 1/2(A^2)(w^2) is constant, this proves conservation
 
There is a more direct approach: just take the derivative w.r.t. time of the energy exression and then use the differential equation to replace the second derivative. If the derivative of energy is zero then the energy is conserved...
 
hi cosmic dust, thanks for your reply!

so by taking the derivative wrt time of the energy expression, i get

dE/dt = s' s'' + s'(ω^2s^2)

which is just s' times the given oscillator equation, which is zero, so:

dE/dt = s'(0)=0

So basically, by showing dE/dt = 0, i have shown that energy is conserved?
 
Paddyod1509 said:
So basically, by showing dE/dt = 0, i have shown that energy is conserved?
Precisely.

One of your lines has a typo, though. It's s'(ω²s) not s².
 
Thankyou sir, much appreciated
 

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