Oscillatory motion of a spring-mass system

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The discussion revolves around the oscillatory motion of a spring-mass system, specifically exploring the mathematical representation of such motion and the relationship between different forms of wave equations. Participants examine the standard solution to the differential equation governing the motion and the implications of damping on the equations used to describe oscillations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the standard solution for a mass on a spring is in the form x=ACos(wt + phi) and questions the applicability of the equation x=Acos(kx-wt) to longitudinal waves.
  • Another participant argues that the equation x=Acos(kx-wt) does not make sense in the context of longitudinal waves, emphasizing that the initial displacement refers to amplitude rather than wavelength.
  • A participant suggests that the wavelength for longitudinal waves could be defined from compression to compression or rarefaction to rarefaction, but seeks clarification on how this relates to a mass on a spring.
  • There is a discussion about the effect of damping on the wave equation, with one participant indicating that damping can be represented by adding a term to the wave equation or by making the wavenumber time-dependent.
  • Another participant mentions that for non-damped waves, the wavenumber can be related to both spatial and temporal components, suggesting k=2pi/lambda or k=2pi/T.
  • It is noted that when damping is introduced, the wavenumber becomes complex, incorporating both real and imaginary components, complicating the differential equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of certain wave equations to longitudinal waves and the interpretation of terms like wavelength and amplitude. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to represent the effects of damping on the oscillatory motion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions and assumptions regarding wavelength in longitudinal waves, as well as the treatment of damping in the equations discussed. The relationship between spatial and temporal components of the wave equations is also not fully resolved.

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Hello all,

Any help with this will be much appreciated. I've scoured the web and searched through textbooks, but I don't have a definite answer to my question as of yet.

First, here's the background on my question:
If I have a standard mass on a spring set into motion, All the textbooks say that the standard solution to the differential equation which describes the motion of the mass is Something of the x=ACos(wt + phi) form, where w is the angular frequency and phi is a phase angle.

However, there is a general equation that describes sinusoidal oscillatory motion that is in the form x=Acos(kx-wt), where k is the angular wave number 2pi/lambda, and where lambda is the wavelength. I've seen this equation typically ascribed to transverse waves, but not to longitudinal ones. So what I'm stuck on is... It seems to me that there should be an analogous angular wavenumber value for longitudinal waves, but there I'm not so sure what the "wavelength" would be. On some websites I've seen them define the wavelength of a longitudinal wave to be from compression to compression or rarefaction to rarefaction, but for a mass on a spring Would that just be the "initial displacement"? Also, assuming that friction damps the oscillation, wouldn't I have an angular wavenumber that's changing in time, delta k? If so, How would I factor that into an equation that describes the motion using that X=ACos(kx-wt) form? (k here representing the angular wavenumber and A including the damping decay exponential factor).

Thank you for your thoughts on this!
 
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x=Acos(kx-wt) doesn't make any sense, because of the x's. Thats why it only applied to transverse waves where it takes the form y=Acos(kx-wt) (y or z or whatever).

The analogy to the wavenumber is essentially the wavelength... perhaps more precisely the frequency - but effectively the same thing.
The initial displacement is the amplitude of the oscillatory motion, not the wavelength. The wavelength is concerned with its temporal oscillations, not solely the spatial ones.

When you add friction, you can think of it in 2 equivalent ways: either you preserve the same form of the wave equation and add a damping term (e^-___) or you make your wavenumber time dependent (&&|| complex).
 
Woops, that was a typo...thanks for pointing that out lzkelly. I did mean to use a different variable, like Y=Acos(kx-wt)..

So do you mean...I can take the wavenumber k=2pi/lambda, which would be it's spatial component or I can take k=2pi/T? i.e. k is then angular frequency?
 
for a non-damped wave, yes.
When the wave is damped, "k" becomes complex -> it has real(oscillating) and imaginary(decaying) components. Each piece becomes much more complicated than in the undamped case.
The differential equation can be found on wikipedia, or http://mathworld.wolfram.com/DampedSimpleHarmonicMotion.html
the general solution gets pretty ugly.
 

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