Oscilloscope to measure Non-Periodic Random Signals....

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of oscilloscopes, particularly in measuring non-periodic random signals. Participants explore the implications of triggering settings on the representation of such signals on the oscilloscope screen, comparing digital and analog technologies.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a random, non-periodic signal could be missed if the oscilloscope beam always starts tracing from the same point on the left side of the screen.
  • Another participant suggests using a digital storage oscilloscope to capture long sequences of signal data and utilize search or trigger functions to find the random signal.
  • Some participants note that modern digital oscilloscopes are designed to handle random signals more effectively than older analog models.
  • A participant mentions that older analog oscilloscopes had limitations, but the Tek 2465+ series had some add-on probes for random event triggers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the best approach for capturing random signals with oscilloscopes, as participants express differing views on the capabilities of digital versus analog oscilloscopes.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the limitations of older analog oscilloscopes compared to modern digital models, but specific details about the performance differences remain unresolved.

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Hello Forum,

I know a little bit about how the oscilloscope works: an electron beam hits the scope screen and traces the waveform. Once the beam reaches the right side of the screen it zaps back to start tracing again. Is it possible that while the beam returns to the lefthand side of the screen the portion of the signal occurring during that time will not represented>

If the input signal is a sinusoid (periodic), it is important to set the oscilloscope trigger so that the sinusoid is well traced and the beam always starts from the same point. Otherwise we would see many overlapping sinusoids on the screen. The options seem to be auto trigger and slope trigger.

Question: if the input signal is random, non predictable, non periodic, what type of trigger setting do we need to use to correctly capture and trace the signal on the screen? Could we miss part of the random signaI if the beam starts tracing always and only from same point on the lefthand side of the screen? The random signal may start from different points at different times at the left side of the screen...

thanks,
fog37
 
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You use a digital storage oscilloscope to capture a long sequence of signal data then use search or trigger functions to find the random signal.



Modern scopes are designed to handle this easily.
 
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fog37 said:
Hello Forum,

I know a little bit about how the oscilloscope works: an electron beam hits the scope screen and traces the waveform. Once the beam reaches the right side of the screen it zaps back to start tracing again. Is it possible that while the beam returns to the lefthand side of the screen the portion of the signal occurring during that time will not represented>

If the input signal is a sinusoid (periodic), it is important to set the oscilloscope trigger so that the sinusoid is well traced and the beam always starts from the same point. Otherwise we would see many overlapping sinusoids on the screen. The options seem to be auto trigger and slope trigger.

Question: if the input signal is random, non predictable, non periodic, what type of trigger setting do we need to use to correctly capture and trace the signal on the screen? Could we miss part of the random signaI if the beam starts tracing always and only from same point on the lefthand side of the screen? The random signal may start from different points at different times at the left side of the screen...

thanks,
fog37

As nsaspook says, a digital oscilloscope does not have the limitations you are mentioning. What you have described is the older analog oscilloscope technology.
 
berkeman said:
As nsaspook says, a digital oscilloscope does not have the limitations you are mentioning. What you have described is the older analog oscilloscope technology.

The King of analog scopes the Tek 2465+ (that I have and love) series had some primitive add-on probes to help with random event triggers but DSO models are light-years ahead of what they could measure.
 

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