Osterwalder-Schrader theorem and non-relativistic QM

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The discussion centers on the Osterwalder-Schrader theorem and its implications for non-relativistic quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the conditions under which a Euclidean path integral can be Wick-rotated to yield a valid Hermitian quantum field theory. Participants explore the necessary properties of Euclidean theories that may not exhibit full symmetry and the relationship between these theories and their quantum counterparts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the Osterwalder-Schrader theorem provides conditions for a Euclidean path integral to be analytically continued to a relativistic Hermitian quantum field theory, raising questions about analogous results for non-relativistic theories.
  • Another participant clarifies that a Wick rotation leads to a symmetry group of ISO(1,3) (the Poincaré group) rather than the Galilei group, suggesting that a contraction is necessary to obtain Galilean invariance.
  • It is proposed that reflection positivity and imaginary time-translation invariance are sufficient to reconstruct a quantum theory from a path integral, with additional axioms required only for ensuring a Wightman quantum field theory.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of starting with a Euclidean theory lacking full symmetry, questioning the necessity of ISO(4) symmetry for the Wick rotation to yield a valid quantum theory.
  • Participants discuss the limitations of applying the path integral to systems with finite Hilbert spaces, noting that such cases may not lead to Galilean-invariant theories.
  • One participant expresses interest in the assumptions needed for a continuum Euclidean field theory with translation invariance to yield a valid quantum field theory upon Wick rotation, emphasizing the role of spacetime symmetry.
  • It is mentioned that a valid quantum theory can be obtained with only time translation symmetry, but the definition of a valid quantum field theory in the non-relativistic context is not standardized.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of symmetry groups for Wick rotations and the implications for non-relativistic quantum theories. There is no consensus on the conditions required for a valid quantum field theory arising from Euclidean theories lacking full symmetry.

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Participants highlight the lack of standard definitions for valid quantum field theories in the non-relativistic case, indicating that assumptions about symmetry and other properties may vary significantly across different contexts.

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I have recently learned a bit about the Osterwalder-Schrader theorem. From my understanding, this tells you when a Euclidean path integral can be analytically continued to a valid relativistic Hermitian quantum field theory (one needs reflection positivity etc.).

I am curious about corresponding results for non-relativistic theories. Let's say I have a Euclidean field theory where there isn't full rotational symmetry; if a definite example is needed, let's say I want it to Wick-rotate to a Galilean-invariant theory. Is there a corresponding theorem for what properties are needed in the Euclidean theory for the Wick rotation (which is used all the time) to guarantees a valid Hermitian quantum field theory?

I don't have an extremely strong background in the mathematics behind AQFT. I did find this statement of the OS theorem by Urs Schreiber (who I know posts here), which gives rotational invariance as an assumption. So my question boils down to whether this assumption can be relaxed.
 
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By a Wick rotation one obtains from the symmetry group ##ISO(4)## of the Euclidean path integral one with symmetry group ##ISO(1,3)##, which is the Poincare group and not the Galilei group. To get the latter you'd need to perform a contraction instead of a Wick rotation.
 
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In order to reconstruct a quantum theory from a path integral, you just need reflection positivity (in order to get the Hilbert space) and (imaginary) time-translation invariance, in order to reconstruct the (imaginary) time-evolution operators. If time is continuous and the time evolution is strongly continuous, you can reconstruct the Hamiltonian, which generates ordinary unitary time-evolution. All the other baggage in the OS axioms just ensures that the corresponding quantum theory is a Wightman quantum field theory, but if you don't care about that, then the subset of the axioms that I stated, is enough.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
By a Wick rotation one obtains from the symmetry group ##ISO(4)## of the Euclidean path integral one with symmetry group ##ISO(1,3)##, which is the Poincare group and not the Galilei group. To get the latter you'd need to perform a contraction instead of a Wick rotation.

I don't follow you here. I am asking about Euclidean-signature theories which do not have ##ISO(4)## symmetry and their relation to quantum theories which do not have ##ISO(1,3)## symmetry. There is certainly a Wick rotation involved, as seen in any textbook. I assume by "contraction" you're referring to the Inönü-Wigner method for getting the Galilei group from the Poincaré? Since I'm not interested in Poincaré invariance I do not understand this comment either.

rubi said:
In order to reconstruct a quantum theory from a path integral, you just need reflection positivity (in order to get the Hilbert space) and (imaginary) time-translation invariance, in order to reconstruct the (imaginary) time-evolution operators. If time is continuous and the time evolution is strongly continuous, you can reconstruct the Hamiltonian, which generates ordinary unitary time-evolution. All the other baggage in the OS axioms just ensures that the corresponding quantum theory is a Wightman quantum field theory, but if you don't care about that, then the subset of the axioms that I stated, is enough.

This is really helpful, thanks. To repeat what I think I have understood of your post: if I want to apply the path integral to a quantum system with a finite Hilbert space (e.g. it is not a continuum field theory), I can formulate it in terms of a Euclidean path integral where the Euclidean theory requires reflection positivity and imaginary time-translation invariance. The other assumptions of the statement of OS are only needed if I want to guarantee that the corresponding theory is also a "Wightman QFT."

Unfortunately I'm not really familiar with what a Wightman QFT is; I'm looking at the Scholarpedia article now. It seems that it is specifically a Poincaré invariant QFT. I am largely interested in field theories within condensed matter/stat mech where we do not worry much in the passage from a finite lattice to the continuum limit, so I'm not too worried these extra issues provided the finite-dimensional case holds. My question mostly stemmed from thinking of mappings between theories of classical and quantum critical phenomena.
 
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king vitamin said:
I am asking about Euclidean-signature theories which do not have ISO(4) symmetry and their relation to quantum theories which do not have ISO(1,3) symmetry. There is certainly a Wick rotation involved, as seen in any textbook. I assume by "contraction" you're referring to the Inönü-Wigner method for getting the Galilei group from the Poincaré?
One can get the Galilei group both from ISO(4) and from ISO(1,3) by Inönü-Wigner contraction.

If the field theory you start with has no big symmetry group such as ISO(4) then Wick rotation also produces a theory with little symmetry only - not with the Galilei group.

king vitamin said:
if I want to apply the path integral to a quantum system with a finite Hilbert space (e.g. it is not a continuum field theory)
In this case you cannot get the Galilei-invariant theory you had asked for. It needs fields defined on 3 space variables.
 
A. Neumaier said:
If the field theory you start with has no big symmetry group such as ISO(4) then Wick rotation also produces a theory with little symmetry only - not with the Galilei group.

But there are certainly Euclidean field theories which Wick rotate to Galilean invariant quantum field theories. I still don't see the point of starting with ##ISO(4)## symmetry. In any case, as I said in my first post, the Galilean symmetry was only mentioned if a definite example is needed.

Let's forget the Galilei group. Assume I start with a continuum Euclidean field theory with full translation invariance along one of the dimensions, and no assumptions about the symmetry along/between the others. I now choose the translation-invariant direction as my "imaginary time" direction which will be Wick rotated. I'm curious about what assumptions are needed for the Wick rotated theory to be a valid QFT.

My understanding from rubi's post is that there is some extra baggage in the OS theorem needed for us to get a "Wightman QFT", and while I don't think I really care about this for the applications I'm currently considering, I am curious how important the assumption of spacetime symmetry is.

A. Neumaier said:
In this case you cannot get the Galilei-invariant theory you had asked for. It needs fields defined on 3 space variables.

Yes, that much is obvious (perhaps you missed the context of the sentence you've quoted?).
 
king vitamin said:
Assume I start with a continuum Euclidean field theory with full translation invariance along one of the dimensions, and no assumptions about the symmetry along/between the others. I now choose the translation-invariant direction as my "imaginary time" direction which will be Wick rotated. I'm curious about what assumptions are needed for the Wick rotated theory to be a valid QFT.
You get a valid quantum theory but it has no symmetries apart from time translation symmetry. The relevant piece of theory is the Feynman-Kac formula. Whether the result is a valid QFT depends on your definition of the latter. (There is no standard definition in the nonrelativistic case.)
 

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