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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around hyperbolic motions in (ct,x)-space, specifically examining the equations that define these motions and their relationship to event horizons. Participants explore the implications of these equations and the conditions under which certain values of x lie within event horizons.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about the implications of hyperbolic motion equations and their relationship to event horizons, questioning whether the condition that acceleration cannot exceed the speed of light (c) ensures that certain values of x lie within event horizons.
  • Another participant asserts that as acceleration (a) approaches infinity, the horizons are defined, and for t=0, any value of x except zero is within the horizons.
  • A further contribution discusses the differentiation of the equation and presents the derived expression for the rate of change of x with respect to t, suggesting that this rate must remain bounded by the speed of light.
  • There is a request for clarification on the implications of the derived expression and its relationship to the conditions for lying within the horizons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are differing interpretations of the implications of the equations and the conditions for lying within event horizons. Some participants provide clarifications while others seek further explanation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of acceleration and its limits, as well as the mathematical steps involved in differentiating the equations, which remain unresolved.

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Hi everybody

I've been lately a little bit concerned over the hyperbolic motions that have the following equations in (ct,x)-space:

[tex]\frac{x^2}{(c^2/a)^2}-\frac{(ct)^2}{(c^2/a)^2}=1[/tex].

We know that events horizons are the lines that form a 45-degree angle by both ct- and x-axis. So what does actually assure us that here, for instance, for t=0, [tex]x=\pm c^2/a[/tex] lie inside events horizens? Is this just because [tex]a[/tex] can't in magnitude gets higher than [tex]c[/tex]?

AB
 
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Altabeh said:
Hi everybody

I've been lately a little bit concerned over the hyperbolic motions that have the following equations in (ct,x)-space:

[tex]\frac{x^2}{(c^2/a)^2}-\frac{(ct)^2}{(c^2/a)^2}=1[/tex].

We know that events horizons are the lines that form a 45-degree angle by both ct- and x-axis. So what does actually assure us that here, for instance, for t=0, [tex]x=\pm c^2/a[/tex] lie inside events horizens? Is this just because [tex]a[/tex] can't in magnitude gets higher than [tex]c[/tex]?

AB

No.

[tex]x^2 - \left(ct\right)^2 = \left( \frac{c^2}{a} \right)^2,[/tex]

so [itex]a \rightarrow \infty[/itex] gives the horizons. For [itex]t=0[/itex], any value of [itex]x[/itex] except [itex]x = 0[/itex] lies inside the horizons.
 
George Jones said:
No.

[tex]x^2 - \left(ct\right)^2 = \left( \frac{c^2}{a} \right)^2,[/tex]

so [itex]a \rightarrow \infty[/itex] gives the horizons. For [itex]t=0[/itex], any value of [itex]x[/itex] except [itex]x = 0[/itex] lies inside the horizons.

Yeah, I got it!

Thanks
 
Also, differentiating

[tex]x^2 - \left(ct\right)^2 = \left( \frac{c^2}{a} \right)^2,[/tex]

gives

[tex]\frac{dx}{dt} = c \frac{ct}{x}.[/itex]<br /> <br /> Consequently,<br /> <br /> [tex]-c < \frac{dx}{dt} < c[/tex]<br /> <br /> gives that [itex]\left(ct , x \right)[/itex] lies inside the horizons.[/tex]
 
George Jones said:
Consequently,

[tex]-c < \frac{dx}{dt} < c[/tex]

gives that [itex]\left(ct , x \right)[/itex] lies inside the horizons.

Could you explain this a little bit more?
 
Altabeh said:
Could you explain this a little bit more?
Combine the following and what do you get?
George Jones said:
[tex]\frac{dx}{dt} = c \frac{ct}{x}.[/tex]
[tex]-c < \frac{dx}{dt} < c[/tex]
 

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