Outer valence electrons for d-block elements (Se to Zn)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electron configurations of d-block elements, specifically from Scandium (Sc) to Zinc (Zn). Participants explore the placement of outermost valence electrons, particularly in the context of elements like Chromium (Cr), Copper (Cu), and Nickel (Ni). The conversation touches on theoretical predictions, experimental observations, and the implications of these configurations in chemistry.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about predicting the location of outermost valence electrons in d-block elements, noting that for Sc, Ti, and V, the electrons are in the higher energy 4s subshell.
  • Questions arise regarding the configurations of Cr and Cu, specifically whether both valence electrons are in the 3d subshell or if one comes from the 4s subshell.
  • There is uncertainty about Nickel's electron configuration, with conflicting claims about whether it is [Ar]3d9, 4s1 or [Ar]3d8, 4s2, leading to further questions about the source of its valence electrons.
  • One participant suggests that both configurations for Ni could be possible and inquires how quantum theory might explain this duality.
  • Another participant points out that the energy differences between configurations are small and may not be practically significant, likening the debate to discussing trivial matters.
  • There is a suggestion to explore a potential replacement for Hund's Rule that could apply to d-block elements, proposing that electrons might have a different affinity to protons than currently understood.
  • One participant emphasizes that the issue of electron configurations is primarily relevant for gas-phase atoms and their ionization potentials, which may not reflect the behavior of atoms in solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the electron configuration debate, with some arguing that the differences are minor and others suggesting that a deeper understanding could lead to new applications. There is no consensus on the correct electron configurations for Ni, Cr, or Cu, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the energy differences between 3d and 4s orbitals are small, which complicates definitive conclusions about electron configurations. The discussion also highlights the limitations of current models and the potential for alternative explanations.

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I wish to better understand the configuration situation for the outer most valence electrons for the d-block elements, Sc to Zn.

I am having a problem understanding how to predict where the two outer most valence electrons must be located for some of the ten d-block elements? For some elements it seems to be clear, such as for the first three Se, Ti and V, where the outer most valence electrons are expected to be in the higher energy 4s sub shell, where they are paired with opposite spin \uparrow\downarrow in 4s.

But, where are the two outer most electrons predicted to be located for Cr and Cu, given that both have a 4s1 configuration with a single spin up \uparrow electron ? Are both valence electrons in the lower energy 3d for these two elements, or does one electron come from 4s and one from 3d ?

Also, what is the current status of Ni ? On Wiki a claim is made, with book reference, that Ni has a [Ar]3d9, 4s1 configuration for ground energy state, yet almost all chemistry texts use [Ar]3d8,4s2 for Ni.

So, if the 4s1 is correct based on energy calculations, I have the same question as above, would the two valence electrons for Ni come from 3d, or one from 4s and one 3d ? And, if from 3d, are they the two spin up \uparrow electrons, or one of the \uparrow\downarrow pairs found in 3d ?

Conversely, if 4s2 is the correct ground energy case for Ni, does that mean the two valence electrons come from 4s as \uparrow\downarrow, as is found in Sc and Ti and V ?

Then, is it possible that for Ni the quantum situation is that BOTH [Ar]3d9,4s1 AND [Ar]3d8,4s2 are quantum electron configuration possibilities, and if yes, how would quantum theory explain this ?

Which raises a final question, has the electron configuration been experimentally tested for each of the five stable Ni isotopes separately using ultra-pure samples of Ni-64, Ni-62, Ni-61, Ni-60, Ni-58, all of which are available commercially for sale ? I realize no difference is expected in electron configuration between the five stable isotopes of Ni, but, have the experiments been conducted on each isotope in ultra-pure state separately to rule out the possibility that some difference may be present? I ask because it is known that superconductivity effects can differ between isotopes of the same element, could such isotope effects be present in some of the d-block elements for electron configuration?...just asking.

Thanks for any help with the confusing d-block situation for electron configuration.
 
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You are not going to like this answer... Don't bother. Thing is, energy differences between these configurations are very small, often below accuracy of our experiments and calculations, so it is very hard to find the conclusive answer.

You already know the general trend, and you know sometimes it gets broken. The differences you are talking about are of a low practical importance. Yes, there are people who will discuss them to death. Not much better than discussing number of angels on the pinhead if you ask me.
 
When you say the energy differences are very small between 3d and 4s orbitals, are they really much smaller than the differences between the 2s and 2p orbitals where the general trend of Hund's Rule works well ? So, why not look for a replacement to Hund's Rule, a rule that does not get broken for d-block elements ? For example, suppose electrons for d-block elements have a closer affinity to protons than Hund's Rule predicts, and once we understand this, the new knowledge opens practical applications of d-block elements we now have no idea exists ? I do appreciate your reply, does not seem that anyone else has an interest in the topic.
 
Hund's rule is an experimental observation - simple, works for most cases, is not guaranteed to work always. I doubt you will be able to find something similarly simple and covering so wast number of cases.

In general we don't need another rule - we do know enough to calculate most of the things we need using much more rigorous methods. Yes, they still fail sometimes, but it is quite unlikely that we miss something big - more like we have technical problem with solving the equations.
 
This is an "issue" only insofar as we need to have the periodic table match up with atomic spectroscopy experiments using the simple orbital approach. This issue doesn't arise if you look at the electron configurations of atoms in solution. Those are just fine. It's gas phase atoms and their ionization potentials (which aren't that relevant to chemistry) that are the issue.

Take a look at:
J. Chem. Educ., 1996, 73 (7), p 617
and/or
Transition Metal Configurations and Limitations of the Orbital Approximation
Volume 66 Number 6 June 1989 481
or
http://ericscerri.blogspot.com/
Scerri writes a lot about this in J. Chem. Ed and elsewhere.
 

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