Explaining weird trend of d- and f- block elements.

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The discussion revolves around the trends in atomic radii of d-block and f-block elements, particularly focusing on the deviations from expected periodic trends. Participants explore the implications of experimental versus theoretical atomic radii and related concepts such as ionization enthalpy and electron screening.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that atomic radii of d-block elements do not follow the expected trend of decreasing radii across a period, highlighting specific values for elements from Sc to Zn.
  • Another participant mentions that experimental atomic radii are derived from half the distance of atoms in a crystal lattice, suggesting that different crystallization affects these measurements.
  • There is a question about the relevance of theoretical versus experimental values, with some arguing for the importance of experimental results in understanding atomic radii trends.
  • A participant suggests that the average bond lengths of d-block elements in covalent compounds complicate the discussion of atomic radii.
  • One participant proposes that d-block elements may exhibit periodicity similar to s- and p-block elements based on experimental results, despite theoretical models indicating otherwise.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Slater-screening, proposing that electron screening affects the distance of outer electrons from the nucleus, which may explain similarities in atomic radii among d- and f-block elements.
  • A later reply questions the distinction between Slater-screening and the Shielding Effect, indicating a need for clarification on these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of theoretical versus experimental data, and there is no consensus on the explanations for the observed trends in atomic radii of d- and f-block elements. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the applicability of periodicity and the role of electron screening.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of atomic radii measurements, including dependencies on crystallization and bonding, as well as the challenges in reconciling theoretical models with experimental observations.

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Hello friends,

I noticed from Wikipedia the following information:
Atomic radii:
4th period(only d-block elements):
Sc:160 pm
Ti : 140 pm
V : 135 pm
Cr : 140 pm
Mn: 140 pm
Fe : 140 pm
Co : 135 pm
Ni : 135 pm
Cu :135 pm
Zn : 135 pm

Normally across the period atomic radii should decrease. But d-block elements do not follow this trend. It increases From V to Cr and them remains constant and decreases and remains constant again.

So they show horizontal similarities too.. Can some one explain me this strange trend?

More stranger trend is of f-block elements.. They don't change their radii at all if we go across the period!
 
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As far as I remember the experimental radii are half the distance of the atoms in a crystal lattice.
However, the metals crystalize in different lattices, which influences the radii.
Better take the calculated values from the table below.
 
DrDu said:
As far as I remember the experimental radii are half the distance of the atoms in a crystal lattice.
However, the metals crystalize in different lattices, which influences the radii.
Better take the calculated values from the table below.

Which table? can you explain this trend?

Not only this one,ionization enthalpy too follow the same way as atomic radii. But a little difference.

So i thought understanding atomic radii would help to understand everything.
 
DrDu said:
I meant the table with the theoretical atomic radii by Clementi in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_radii

Why?

I mean that is theoretical. Shouldn't we go for experimental results?

Yes. the theoretical models follow the general trend. But i think we should stick to experimental results..

Do you think no satisfactory explanations can be given to the trend observed experimentally?
 
The experimental values are derived from bond lengths of covalent substances. Hence you have to discuss the average bond lengths of d-block elements in mainly covalent compounds. This is much more complicated than discussing the shrinking of d- or f-orbitals.
 
DrDu said:
The experimental values are derived from bond lengths of covalent substances. Hence you have to discuss the average bond lengths of d-block elements in mainly covalent compounds. This is much more complicated than discussing the shrinking of d- or f-orbitals.

So, Can We say that d-block elements follow the same periodicity of that of s- and p- blocks?

I mean by experimental results obtained by deriving bond lengths, it is observed that some elements have same atomic radii.. i.e,they show horizontal similarities. s- and p- block don't show like that.

but theoretical models show no horizontal similarities.
 
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My best guess is Slater-screening. Electrons can screen other electrons from the positively charged nucleus, but it depends on how the electrons occupy the orbitals (which itself seems random for d- and f-block elements). This way, depending on the screening of other electrons, the distance of the outer electrons from the nucleus can be very similar.
 
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sveegaard said:
My best guess is Slater-screening. Electrons can screen other electrons from the positively charged nucleus, but it depends on how the electrons occupy the orbitals (which itself seems random for d- and f-block elements). This way, depending on the screening of other electrons, the distance of the outer electrons from the nucleus can be very similar.

How is Slater-screening different from Shielding Effect?
 

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