Outlet Volume flow rate from a steam turbine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the outlet volumetric flow rate from a steam turbine within the context of an Organic Rankine Cycle. Participants explore various methods and formulas for determining this flow rate based on given parameters such as pressure, temperature, and mass flow rate.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the formula for calculating the outlet volumetric flow rate given specific turbine parameters.
  • Another suggests using the ideal gas law or actual molar volume from an equation of state if the fluid is all vapor.
  • Several participants mention the use of steam tables to find relevant properties, although there is some confusion regarding the availability of volume flow rate data for organic fluids.
  • One participant proposes a formula for volume flow rate at the outlet based on mass flow rate and density at the turbine outlet.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of specific volume from thermodynamic tables for the organic fluid in question.
  • There is a reiteration of the formula involving mass flow rate and specific volume as a valid approach for calculating the outlet volumetric flow rate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of steam tables and the specific properties of organic fluids. While some agree on the formula involving mass flow rate and density, others highlight the need for specific volume data, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for the organic fluid.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the specific properties of the organic fluid and the availability of relevant data in steam tables. Participants have not reached a consensus on the most appropriate method for calculating the outlet volumetric flow rate.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals working on thermodynamic cycles, particularly those involving organic fluids, as well as students seeking to understand volumetric flow rate calculations in steam turbines.

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Turbine or expander in Organic Rankine Cycle. With available data of pressure inlet and outlet of turbine, temperature inlet and outlet, mass flow rate inlet to turbine, inlet & outlet enthalpies and entropies. calculating for a specific (eg 2KW) turbine power output.
I am working Organic Rankine Cycle. I studied a number of research papers and in most of them, they have calculated outlet volume flow rate from the turbine or expander, but have not mentioned the calculations. So here are the available data;

Pin = Turbine Inlet Pressure, 2.5 MPa
Pout = Turbine Outlet Pressure, 0.9 MPa
Tin = Turbine Inlet Temp, 373 K
Tout = Turbine Outlet Temp, 340K
Inlet & outlet enthalpies and entropies
Power output in KW, 2KW
mass flow rate kg/sec, 0.02 kg/sec

How do I calculate Outlet volumetric flow rate (m^3/sec)of a turbine? what is the formula for it?
 
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Hello Izazo, :welcome: !

Is this a homework assignment ?

If it's all vapour, use the ideal gas law -- or, if available, actual molar volume from an equation of state or a property table.
 
The steam tables give this.
 
Here is what I did;
Volume flow rate at outlet(m^3/sec) = mass flow rate(kg/sec) / Densisty at turbine outlet(kg/m^3)
 
Chestermiller said:
The steam tables give this.
If it's steam we are talking about, ...
 
Chestermiller said:
The steam tables give this.
Have not seen "Volume flow rate in steam table" though, and its Organic fluid in my calculations.
 
No of course not. What have you seen in the properties of your organic fluid ?
 
Izazo said:
Have not seen "Volume flow rate in steam table" though, and its Organic fluid in my calculations.
You seem to have thermodynamic tables for your organic fluid. One of the columns in the tabes is specific volume. Once you know the specific volume of your fluid at the exit and the mass flow rate, this tells you the volume flow rate.
 
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Izazo said:
Here is what I did;
Volume flow rate at outlet(m^3/sec) = mass flow rate(kg/sec) / Densisty at turbine outlet(kg/m^3)
So i am using the right formula...
Thanks guys,
 
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Izazo said:
So i am using the right formula...
Thanks guys,
or equivalently (mass flow rate) x (specific volume)
 
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Thanks, Izazo for sharing this information with us
 

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