Oxygen Extracted from Martian Atmosphere - a first

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The discussion centers on the extraction of oxygen from the Martian atmosphere by the NASA Perseverance Mars Rover, focusing on the implications of this achievement for future Mars missions, including potential applications for propellant production and the challenges associated with sourcing water on Mars.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express excitement about the first successful extraction of oxygen from the Martian atmosphere, noting the significance of this achievement.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the production of carbon monoxide (2CO) alongside oxygen (O2), with some participants questioning the sustainability of this method.
  • Others propose that combining oxygen production from CO2 with water could lead to the creation of synthesis gas, which may have further applications on Mars.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of finding water on Mars to support these processes, with some participants asserting that water has already been discovered by previous missions.
  • Technical challenges related to mining water ice on Mars are acknowledged, with suggestions about possible methods for extraction.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the long-term viability of the proposed methods and highlight potential environmental concerns related to waste management.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the sustainability of the oxygen extraction method or the feasibility of utilizing Martian resources for further applications. Multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of the extraction process and the challenges of sourcing water on Mars.

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Limitations include unresolved technical challenges related to water extraction and the implications of producing CO2 as a byproduct. The discussion reflects varying levels of optimism and skepticism about the proposed methods and their long-term viability.

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On April 20, 2021, an experiment on the NASA Perseverance Mars Rover broke down the CO2 Mars atmosphere to 2CO + O2. That makes it the first instrument to produce Oxygen on another world.

Still a ways to go, design maximum is 10 grams per hour, people need around 60 grams per hour.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/...s-rover-extracts-first-oxygen-from-red-planet

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Tom
 
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Tom.G said:
On April 20, 2021, an experiment on the NASA Perseverance Mars Rover broke down the CO2 Mars atmosphere to 2CO + O2. That makes it the first instrument to produce Oxygen on another world.

Still a ways to go, design maximum is 10 grams per hour, people need around 60 grams per hour.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/...s-rover-extracts-first-oxygen-from-red-planet

Cheers,
Tom
Exciting!

Not keen on the 2CO for every O2 through
 
pinball1970 said:
Not keen on the 2CO for every O2 through
Yeah, definitely not a long-term solution!
Sorta like what we're doing here on Earth with generating CO2
 
pinball1970 said:
Not keen on the 2CO for every O2 through
Why not? Combine it with O2 production from water and you have synthesis gas. That means it is not just the first O2 extraction but also the first step to the production of propellants or even plastics on mars.
 
DrStupid said:
Why not? Combine it with O2 production from water and you have synthesis gas. That means it is not just the first O2 extraction but also the first step to the production of propellants or even plastics on mars.
Since this is on Mars, first you have to find the water. 😁
 
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Tom.G said:
Since this is on Mars, first you have to find the water. 😁
You are not up to date. The water already has been found, e.g. by the Phoenix lander:
480px-PIA10903-_'Dodo-Goldilocks'_Trench.jpg
 
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Tom.G said:
Since this is on Mars, first you have to find the water. 😁
There is water ice sequestered in the rocks under the surface. The planet bis long dead
DrStupid said:
You are not up to date. The water already has been found, e.g. by the Phoenix lander:
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Ice water is ok for this?
 
pinball1970 said:
Ice water is ok for this?
In principle yes, but it will be a technical challenge to mine it on Mars. Maybe it is possible to drill a hole and to melt or sublimate it underground.
 
pinball1970 said:
Exciting!

Not keen on the 2CO for every O2 through
so throw it away!
 
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JayS0 said:
so throw it away!
Yes, what could possibly go wrong?
 
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