Pairwise difference of 20 positive integers. At least four of em are equal.

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving 20 pairwise distinct positive integers, each less than 70, and the claim that among their pairwise differences, there must be at least four equal numbers. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and proof exploration.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the total number of pairwise differences is 190, while the possible distinct values for these differences are limited to the set {1, 2, ..., 68}.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the proof after establishing the number of differences and their possible values.
  • Another participant suggests ordering the integers and considers specific differences between consecutive integers, proposing a contradiction if there are at most three equal differences.
  • Participants discuss the implications of their assumptions and calculations, leading to a conclusion that suggests at least four equal differences must exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree on the reasoning leading to the conclusion, there is no explicit consensus on the overall approach or the validity of the assumptions made, leaving the discussion somewhat unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps or assumptions required to establish the proof definitively. The discussion reflects various approaches and reasoning without a clear consensus on the methodology.

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Given $20$ pairwise distinct positive integers each less than $70$. Prove that among their pairwise differences there are at least four equal numbers.
 
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caffeinemachine said:
Given $20$ pairwise distinct positive integers each less than $70$. Prove that among their pairwise differences there are at least four equal numbers.

Total number of pairwise differences $\displaystyle =\binom{20}{2}=190$. Each difference must belong to the set $\{1,\ 2,\ \ldots,\ 68\}$: there are only 68 distinct values for each pairwise difference.

I don't know how to proceed...
 
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Alexmahone said:
Total number of pairwise differences $\displaystyle =\binom{20}{2}=190$. Each difference must belong to the set $\{1,\ 2,\ \ldots,\ 68\}$: there are only 68 distinct values for each pairwise difference.

I don't know how to proceed...

How does "Challenging Puzzles.." forum work?
Am I supposed to post the solution(in case no one is able to solve it) within a day, a week or what?
 
caffeinemachine said:
How does "Challenging Puzzles.." forum work?
Am I supposed to post the solution(in case no one is able to solve it) within a day, a week or what?

If no one replied, you could do that. But since I've posted an attempt, you could just give me a hint. :)
 
Alexmahone said:
If no one replied, you could do that. But since I've posted an attempt, you could just give me a hint. :)
Let the $20$ numbers be ordered as $a_1 < a_2 < \ldots < a_{20}$.
Consider the differences:

$a_{20}-a_{19}, a_{19}-a_{18}, \ldots, a_2-a_1$
 
caffeinemachine said:
Let the $20$ numbers be ordered as $a_1 < a_2 < \ldots < a_{20}$.
Consider the differences:

$a_{20}-a_{19}, a_{19}-a_{18}, \ldots, a_2-a_1$

Assume, for the sake of argument, that among the pairwise differences there are at most 3 equal numbers.

$(a_{20}-a_{19})+(a_{19}-a_{18})+\ldots+(a_2-a_1)\ge 1+1+1+2+2+2+\ldots+6+6+6+7=3*6*7/2+7=70$

$a_{20}-a_1\ge 70$

$a_{20}\ge 70+a_1>70$ (contradiction)

So, among the pairwise differences there are at least 4 equal numbers.
 
Alexmahone said:
Assume, for the sake of argument, that among the pairwise differences there are at most 3 equal numbers.

$(a_{20}-a_{19})+(a_{19}-a_{18})+\ldots+(a_2-a_1)\ge 1+1+1+2+2+2+\ldots+6+6+6+7=3*6*7/2+7=70$

$a_{20}-a_1\ge 70$

$a_{20}\ge 70+a_1>70$ (contradiction)

So, among the pairwise differences there are at least 4 equal numbers.

Great!
 

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