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The discussion centers on the impact of Sarah Palin's selection as the vice-presidential candidate for John McCain's campaign. Initial reactions highlighted her appeal to women, but the conversation quickly shifted to criticisms of her qualifications and the controversies surrounding her, such as her daughter's pregnancy and various ethical issues. Despite these controversies, many supporters remained loyal, attributing her popularity to her charisma and ability to connect with conservative values. Critics argue that her lack of substantial experience and knowledge in complex political matters undermines her candidacy. The dialogue also touches on the broader implications of the election process, suggesting that it has devolved into a popularity contest rather than a serious evaluation of candidates' qualifications and policies. Participants express frustration over the perceived ignorance of voters who support candidates based on superficial traits rather than substantive issues, leading to concerns about the future of democracy and informed decision-making in elections.
  • #961
Just your average family.

The mother of Levi Johnston, the Wasilla teenager who is the father of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's daughter's unborn child, was arrested Thursday on drug charges.

The Anchorage Daily News reported Friday that Sherry L. Johnston, 42, was arrested by Alaska State Troopers at her Wasilla home and charged with six felony counts of misconduct involving a controlled substance.

The arrest was the result of an "undercover narcotics investigation," according to police.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/19/levi-johnstons-mother-arrested-drug-charges/
 
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  • #962
To be fair, Palin's family had nothing to do with this and probably neither did that guy who boned Palin's daughter.
 
  • #963
WarPhalange said:
To be fair, Palin's family had nothing to do with this and probably neither did that guy who boned Palin's daughter.

Yeah you're right. They aren't part of the Palin family. They're just palling around with the Palins.

Hey that sounds like the name for a sitcom. Palling Around with the Palins.
 
  • #964
The real kicker would be if it was trooper Wooten that made the arrest.
 
  • #965
Class warfare now? The subtext being that the Press has it in for hillbillies?
ADN said:
On Kennedy: “I’ve been interested also to see how Caroline Kennedy will be handled and if she will be handled with kid gloves or if she will be under such a microscope also. It’s going to be interesting to see how that plays out and I think that as we watch that we will perhaps be able to prove that there is a class issue here also that was such a factor in the scrutiny of my candidacy versus, say, the scrutiny of what her candidacy may be.
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/136392

Sarah Palin: The gift that keeps on giving.
 
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  • #966
Sarah Palin was easily the most qualified candidate out of McCain, Obama, and Biden. And yes, there was a class issue, as the press made great fun of her more accented way of speaking.
 
  • #967
WheelsRCool said:
Sarah Palin was easily the most qualified candidate out of McCain, Obama, and Biden. And yes, there was a class issue, as the press made great fun of her more accented way of speaking.
Thanks for the satire! Gosh and golly, she was a real smart lady who would have been a nice ornament on our governation if McCain and she had been erected.
 
  • #968
turbo-1 said:
would have been a nice ornament on our governation if McCain and she had been erected.

She's actually pretty hot from a purely physical standpoint. She could probably erect a dead man, as long as her mouth was glued shut. McCain, however, must be past erection possibilities. There's dead, and then there's... what the hell do you call it when someone is too old to be dead?
 
  • #969
Danger said:
She's actually pretty hot from a purely physical standpoint.

Maybe I can't get past her words, her backwoods stupidity, and her slimy agenda, but I find the woman to be completely repulsive. And now, just to top it all off, she's a whiner.
 
  • #970
Thanks for the satire! Gosh and golly, she was a real smart lady who would have been a nice ornament on our governation if McCain and she had been erected.

The fact is, she was the most qualified. And she also had to actually answer questions on policies.

Ivan Seeking said:
Maybe I can't get past her words, her backwoods stupidity, and her slimy agenda, but I find the woman to be completely repulsive. And now, just to top it all off, she's a whiner.

C'mon mate, yeesh. The only ones who were repulsive, and stupid, were, although I wish him well for the sake of the country, what appears (or at least can be argued) to be a man who is an arrogant, ignorant, elitist, racist, lying politician who just got elected by a complacent, worshipful media who never bothered to do any homework or ask any real questions of him whatsoever. NOTHING. He got a free pass. President-elect Obama announced during his campaign some of the most assinine economic and foreign policy ideas ever to be put forth, then when questioned about a few of them a couple of times folded like cardboard. He either was lying to the American public, saying what needed to be said to get elected, or he is a strict ideologue.

Then you have his Vice Presidential pick, Senator Biden, a man who has been wrong on every major foreign policy issue of the past two decades and who had to suspend his 1988 presidential campaign because he was caught lying about his background. He is a proven gaffe-machine who has a reputation for over-exaggerating his own credentials.

Then there was Senator McCain, another buffoon.

As for Palin, she has actually run some things (a town and a state), and actually fought corruption, within her own party, rather than just utilized the system to advance her own career, as our current President-elect. She proved herself to be able to handle extreme pressure, and a very quick study. To say she has "backwoods stupidity" I think is the height of ignorance; good grief, she debated Senator Biden and was a match when "experience-wise," he should have been able to crush her, instead making a huge number of whoppers. Claiming she has a slimy agenda, when we have a President-elect who literally supports allowing born children to die, and who has never once bucked organized labor (that's like a Republican who has never bucked Big Business), I consider the height of hypocrisy.

So IMO let's lay off this one-sided Palin-bashing. She isn't on the national scene as any kind of threat to the Left right now anyhow. And while it's probably a bad move to whine, I think you'd be antsy too if you'd experienced the media hostility she did. She was vetted more in weeks than President-elect Obama was during the ENTIRE CAMPAIGN. If it was not for Fox News, that evil fascist news arm of the Republican party (eye roll), and Sean Hannity, that rabid Nazi (bigger eye roll), we would not even have known half the things we did about him (to which he didn't answer anything either, and completely avoided, like the plague, what was the most watched cable news channel in America).
 
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  • #971
Ivan Seeking said:
I find the woman to be completely repulsive.
Tina Fey though... :-p

Wheels said:
She proved herself to be able to handle extreme pressure, and a very quick study.
Sorry but I never heard a single interview or debate where she seemed to show either of these traits. The only people I have heard defend her abilities seem to be those who were taken by her "Smalltown America Charm". NONE of my local conservative comentators had anything nice to say about her and they were all angry with McCain for screwing up his campaign by putting her on the ticket.
 
  • #972
WheelsRCool said:
She proved herself to be able to handle extreme pressure, and a very quick study.

That would be a more believable statement if Palin retained the capability to speak in complete sentences when given a question she doesn't know the answer to. Poise in the face of pressure definitely isn't her strong suit.
 
  • #973
WheelsRCool said:
Sarah Palin was easily the most qualified candidate out of McCain, Obama, and Biden. And yes, there was a class issue, as the press made great fun of her more accented way of speaking.
OH Thank you. I really needed a good laugh in the morning.

but,
now I have to clean coffee off my monitor
 
  • #974
Sorry but I never heard a single interview or debate where she seemed to show either of these traits.

Well that's the thing, she had to learn in weeks what the other candidates had been able to be learning for years b/c of the length of this campaign. She messed up in some interviews, but did okay in the VP debate, when there was immense pressure on her over possibly screwing that up. During her RNC speech, her Tele-Prompter froze up, so she had to go via memory for that.

The only people I have heard defend her abilities seem to be those who were taken by her "Smalltown America Charm". NONE of my local conservative comentators had anything nice to say about her and they were all angry with McCain for screwing up his campaign by putting her on the ticket.

As a VP choice, McCain could have done far better, but remember, this is politics, and two white guys on the ticket probably just wouldn't have worked.

That would be a more believable statement if Palin retained the capability to speak in complete sentences when given a question she doesn't know the answer to. Poise in the face of pressure definitely isn't her strong suit.

It's something she needs to practice. The thing is, speaking in front of a camera, while a good political skill, and necessary, doesn't gauge intelligence IMO. Look at Caroline Kennedy. She graduated from Columbia Law School and has written law books. Yet she spoke like a 7th grader when interviewed. Does this mean she is stupid? No. Does it mean she needs practice speaking for politics? YEAH.

Palin I view as the same. She uses the word "Also" far too much, which garnered her ridicule (and rightly so on that aspect), but then Caroline Kennedy used the phrase "Y'know" like every other sentence as well.
 
  • #975
WheelsRCool said:
Well that's the thing, she had to learn in weeks what the other candidates had been able to be learning for years b/c of the length of this campaign.
So the fact that she is obviously unqualified, according to what you just said, makes her a viable candidate? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? "Oh, besides the fact that she has no understanding of national government or world affairs, she's qualified for the Vice-Presidency". :rolleyes:
 
  • #976
Evo said:
So the fact that she is obviously unqualified, according to what you just said, makes her a viable candidate? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? "Oh, besides the fact that she has no understanding of national government or world affairs, she's qualified for the Vice-Presidency".

No, the fact that she was unqualified yet still more qualified than the other three is what I was saying. Senator Obama showed a lack of understanding of world affairs early on (Iran is a tiny country?), and a complete lack of understanding of economics and foreign policy (as if we could really disarm the world of nukes, good grief). If he could defend his views on economics and foreign policy, then he should have gone onto some more conservative shows and did just that. Instead, he was one of the biggest experts I've seen at using lots of words to say ultimately nothing. He also avoided news shows it seems like the plague, and went onto mostly celebrity shows. I really don't know how people cannot see through him. He was a textbook politician. Speak in platititudes, don't answer questions, use fanciful rhetoric, avoid anyone critical of you completely, appear on celebrity shows a whole lot, etc...never mind you are running for the most powerful position in the world in a time of turbulence.
 
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  • #977
WheelsRCool said:
No, the fact that she was unqualified yet still more qualified than the other three is what I was saying. .
Seriously, provide actual data to back this up. Exactly where is she more qualified? Where are her qualifications and knowledge of national government and world affairs? She proved her lack of knowledge in interviews. The woman is a parrot.
 
  • #978
Evo said:
Seriously, provide actual data to back this up. Exactly where is she more qualified? Where are her qualifications and knowledge of national government and world affairs? She proved her lack of knowledge in interviews.

She ran a town for eight years, then a state, which gives her more executive experience than any of them. If any kind of crap happens, it's the mayor or governor who has to take charge, not a senator. She has fought corruption. She has enough common sense to know that government is not the solution to most problems. As for national government and world affairs, I do not know. What I do know is she was just as knowledgeable about the subject as VP-elect Biden during the VP debate, and most likely President-elect Obama in his earlier campaign days; he was likely more knowledgeable in the latter stages because he had had time to learn.

The woman is a parrot.

So were the Democratic candidates (in particular Biden!).
 
  • #979
WheelsRCool said:
She ran a town for eight years, then a state, which gives her more executive experience than any of them.
Oh please, my office complex at 15,000 employees has three times the number of people in her town. Does that make the office manager eligible for VP? It's not surprising that the state of Alaska didn't collapse, the infrasturcture sees to that. Did you read about what decisions she had to make as Governor concerning the state National Guard? Nothing. Look it up, I think they put out a building fire or something.

She never took charge of anything. And she back stabbed a friend to get ahead in politics, turning him in for using government e-mail in a political campaign, something which I believe she also did.
 
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  • #980
WheelsRCool:

As an Alaskan myself, I'm taking Evo's side of your discussion so far.

Obama is a much more versatile leader than Palin. Palin has the support of a MUCH smaller niche of people, where Obama has just about every significant niche in the US.

Also, most of us aren't very happy with Palin's work in Alaska (for instance, the Bridge to Nowhere) but I haven't heard the complaints from Obama's state yet, so I don't know.

Palin is also a terrible supporter for science (which I happen to be involved in).

A lot of your judgments just two post's back seem to be drawn from Obama's speeches. If you really think Palin is a better speaker than Obama then we don't really have anything to discuss anymore, because you're off your rocker.

A couple other things:

You can't see Putin from Alaska.
Fruit flies contribute a lot to human medical research.
Alaska's governer office provides no experience in foreign affairs.
 
  • #981
Evo said:
She never took charge of anything. And she back stabbed a friend to get ahead in politics,
Sounds over-qualified to me.
 
  • #982
hey guys, no need to argue here. i think we can agree that most politicians are nitwits with above-average social skills.
 
  • #983
Texas evangelicals helped effort to stop Palin 'troopergate' probe
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090207/pl_mcclatchy/3162967

JUNEAU - New state gift disclosures show it cost Liberty Legal Institute and the two law firms working with it $185,000 to represent six Alaska legislators in an unsuccessful lawsuit to halt their colleagues' "troopergate" investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin acted improperly in firing the state's public safety director.

The legislators listed a $25,000 gift of services from the Texas -based Liberty Legal Institute . Liberty is the legal arm of the Free Market Foundation , which is associated with evangelical leader James Dobson's Focus on the Family, and lists its guiding principles as limited government and promotion of Judeo-Christian values.

The lawmakers also disclosed a $120,000 gift of services from Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP , a national firm that appeared at hearings on behalf of Liberty Legal.

Anchorage attorney Kevin Clarkson represented the six legislators in the case as well, and turned to Liberty Legal for its constitutional expertise. The lawmakers reported a $40,000 gift of services from Clarkson's firm.

That brings the total bill for their lawsuit to $185,000 .

. . . .
:rolleyes:
 
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  • #984
And for all the good it did.
Contempt charges are filed by Senate

TODD PALIN, OTHERS: No punishment urged in troopergate matter.

By SEAN COCKERHAM
scockerham@adn.com

Published: February 6th, 2009 11:31 AM
Last Modified: February 7th, 2009 10:40 AM

JUNEAU -- The Alaska Senate voted Friday to find Gov. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, and nine Palin aides in contempt for failing to show up when ordered by subpoena to testify in the Legislature's "Troopergate" investigation of the governor.

... But the Senate resolution also said there should be no punishment because Todd Palin and the others did eventually submit written statements to the investigator, Steve Branchflower.

The resolution passed on a vote of 16 to 1 -- with six Republicans and 10 Democrats voting for it.
http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/681638.html
 
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  • #985
There goes the family values candidate:
Gov. Palin's daughter's, boyfriend break up
... Levi Johnston told The Associated Press on Wednesday that he and Bristol Palin mutually decided "a while ago" to end their relationship. The 19-year-old Johnston declined to elaborate.
http://www.adn.com/front/story/719385.html

This quote from the Star:
Now's Levi's sister, Mercede is telling all exclusively to Star and the picture she paints of life in Wasilla, Alaska is not a pretty one. Bristol, 18, has virtually cut Levi out of the life of their two-month-old son Tripp.

"Levi tries to visit Tripp every single day, but Bristol makes it nearly impossible. She tells him he can't take the baby to our house because she doesn't want him around 'white trash'!" Bristol won't even allow him to watch the baby for a few hours -- unless he's babysitting!
http://www.starmagazine.com/bristol_palin_levi_split/news/15341

This would have nothing to do with little Tripp's Granma getting caught dealing Oxycontin now would it?
 
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  • #986
Star Magazine?! :bugeye: :eek: :rolleyes:

Something tells me that it's not an Astrophysics journal.

LP - come back from the Dark Side!
 
  • #987
My feel is that Palin's daughter and this guy had no use for each before she found out she was pregnant, but had to "appear" to be lovey dovey for her mom. Didn't they have to track that poor guy down? Uhm, yes they did.
 
  • #988
Astronuc said:
Star Magazine?! :bugeye: :eek: :rolleyes:

Something tells me that it's not an Astrophysics journal.

LP - come back from the Dark Side!

I know it's not exactly a peer reviewed tabloid, but I couldn't resist the local color aspect of the account, and well ... I must confess my flesh is weak about such gossip.

The truth be told, I actually emailed the ADN newsroom some time earlier with the link to the Star article before they published the posted account at ADN.
 
  • #989
Evo said:
My feel is that Palin's daughter [Bristol] and this guy had no use for each before she found out she was pregnant, . . .
well except for some interaction before she got pregnant. :biggrin:

I think she can do a lot better than Levi.
 
  • #990
Astronuc said:
I think she can do a lot better than Levi.

But after seeing her cut Levi off from his son, what (sensible) guy would go for her?
 

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