Parachuting from 20 miles altitude

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The discussion revolves around the physics of parachuting from an altitude of 20 miles, focusing on the effects of air density, speed, and heating during descent. Participants explore concepts related to freefall, friction, and atmospheric conditions at high altitudes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether significant heating occurs due to friction with the air at high altitudes.
  • Another participant suggests that at 20 miles, the air is thin, and the speed of sound is lower than at sea level, indicating that descent dynamics would change as one moves to denser air.
  • It is proposed that with proper aerodynamic design, one could manage descent speed to avoid excessive heating, especially given the low temperatures in the stratosphere.
  • A participant references Joseph Kittinger's record-breaking jump, noting he reached speeds of up to 614 miles per hour without significant frictional heating being a concern.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of ram pressure as a source of heating during atmospheric entry, rather than frictional heating.
  • One participant speculates on the nature of air interaction, suggesting that it may be more about the momentum of air molecules than traditional friction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of frictional heating versus ram pressure during high-altitude parachuting, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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Discussion includes assumptions about atmospheric conditions, the effects of altitude on speed and temperature, and the mechanics of descent, which may not be fully resolved or agreed upon.

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The guy who parachuted from 20 miles up in the atmosphere - did he heat up significantly through friction with the air and how fast was he moving?
 
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At 20mi the air is rather thin. I imagine the limit would be the speed of sound - which is rather lower at 20mi than at sea level.
As you reach denser lower levels of the atmosphere you will slow down as you encounter more friction - if you designed the aerodynamics correctly you should be able to slow at a rate so that you don't heat too much. In fact with a temperature n the stratosphere of <-50degC, cooling would be more of a problem.
I think the USAF record only used a stabiliser parachute to prevent spin - it relied on drag on the body to slow down to a point that the main chute could open safely.

I think the experiment that
 
Good answer. Here's the guy, Joseph Kettinger: http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Dictionary/kittinger/DI29.htm

The third flight, on August 16, 1960, broke records. The Excelsior III climbed to 102,800 feet (31,333 meters), and on his descent, Kittinger freefell at speeds up to 614 miles per hour, approaching the speed of sound without the protection of an aircraft or space vehicle and experiencing temperatures as low as minus 94 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 70 degrees Celsius).
No, frictional heating is not a significant issue here.
 
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Interesting point - I suppose you could argue there is no such thing as air-friction. It is only the momentum of air molecules hitting you in the direction you are travelling.
 

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