Parametric equation of a surface-eliminating the parameters

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The problem involves a set of parametric equations defining a surface in terms of variables s and t. The original poster seeks to eliminate these parameters to express the surface solely in terms of x, y, and u, where the function f is provided as an example.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to express u in terms of x and t, raising questions about solving for t in the equation derived from the parametric definitions. Some participants discuss the implications of the function f being invertible and the potential complexity of solving for t based on different forms of f.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various scenarios based on the nature of the function f. Some guidance has been offered regarding specific cases, such as when f(t) is a simple function like t/2 or t², but no consensus has been reached on a general method for all functions.

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Participants are considering the implications of the function f being invertible and the challenges that arise with more complex forms of f. There is an acknowledgment that a general solution may not exist and that each case may require individual analysis.

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Homework Statement


The parametric equation of a surface is given by:
x = s + t, y = (s2/2) + s f(t) + t, u = s + f(t) where f is some given function (e.g. f(t)=t/2).
I would like to eliminate s and t from these equations and describe the surface in terms of x, y and u only.

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The Attempt at a Solution


The first equation implies that s=x-t
Put it into the third equation, I get
u = x - t + f(t)
=> u - x = f(t) - t
Now if I can solve for t in terms of u and x, then I can put it into the second equation and I'm done.
But how can I solve for t in the equation u - x = f(t) - t ?
I think this may be related in some way to the idea of "inverse function", but I don't know how to handle it in this case...

Can someone please help me out?
Thank you! :)
 
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kingwinner said:
x = s + t, y = (s2/2) + s f(t) + t, u = s + f(t) where f is some given function (e.g. f(t)=t/2).

=> u - x = f(t) - t
Now if I can solve for t in terms of u and x, then I can put it into the second equation and I'm done.
But how can I solve for t in the equation u - x = f(t) - t ?
I think this may be related in some way to the idea of "inverse function", but I don't know how to handle it in this case...

Can someone please help me out?
Thank you! :)

Hi kingwinner! :smile:

If f(t) = t/2, it's easy!

If f(t) = t2, you need to solve a quadratic equation.

If f(t) is more complicated, there may be no non-computer solution.
 
Hi tiny-tim,

If we assume that the general function f is invertible, can we eliminate s and t from these equations and describe the surface in terms of x, y and u only (perhaps with f and f-1 in the expression) ?
 
kingwinner said:
If we assume that the general function f is invertible …

All functions are invertible (at least locally) …

no, there's no general solution, you have to work it out for each one.
 

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