Parametric Equations finding largest radius

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The discussion revolves around finding an expression for dx/dθ in the context of a polar graph defined by r = f(θ). Participants are tasked with determining how far the graph extends to the left and right, while also interpreting a hint regarding the x-value of the point that is farthest left.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between polar coordinates and Cartesian coordinates, particularly focusing on the derivative dx/dθ. There is discussion about the implications of setting the derivative to zero and the significance of the hint provided in the problem statement.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the approach to take, noting that the original poster's steps appear reasonable. However, there is an ongoing exploration of the hint's relevance and how to confirm whether a value is the leftmost or rightmost point on the graph.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the wording of the problem and the hint, indicating potential confusion about the requirements for determining the extremum of x. There is also a recognition that the function f(θ) is not specified, which limits the ability to fully resolve the problem.

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Homework Statement



Suppose that r = f (θ) defines a polar graph. Find an expression for dx/dθ. It should not involve the letter r. Explain a procedure to determine the farthest that the graph r = f (θ) extends to the left and to the right (Hint: If x = x0 is the x - value of the point that is farthest left, how does x0 compare with all other x-values?).

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The wording of the question seems a bit off especially the hint "is the x - value of the point that is farthest left".
Here is how I started the problem. I know that x=r*cos(θ) so i subsituded r for f(θ) to get
x=f(θ)cos(θ). My guess is that when the derivative of dx/dθ is equal to 0 then that means that the polar graph is turning back around so I take the derivative of x to get dx/dθ =-f(θ)sin(θ) +f'(θ)cos(θ)
then I set it equal to 0 to get
-f(θ)sin(θ) +f'(θ)cos(θ)=0
f(θ)sin(θ) =f'(θ)cos(θ)
tan(θ)=f'(θ)/f(θ)
tan(θ)=f'(θ)/(x/cos(θ))
x=(f'(θ) tan(θ)cos(θ))

I don't really know what I'm doing at this point. How should I approach this problem?
 
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Painguy said:
tan(θ)=f'(θ)/f(θ)
It all looks fine to here. In practice, you would know f(), so could then solve the above equation to find the theta of interest, then compute x from x = f(θ) cos(θ). There's no point in bringing x back into the equation first unless you can eliminate theta and get an equation in x only - which you can't without knowing what f is.
 
haruspex said:
It all looks fine to here. In practice, you would know f(), so could then solve the above equation to find the theta of interest, then compute x from x = f(θ) cos(θ). There's no point in bringing x back into the equation first unless you can eliminate theta and get an equation in x only - which you can't without knowing what f is.

I see. That makes sense. I guess I was expecting a bit more out of the problem. Is there any point to the hint that was provided? I feel like I'm still missing a big chunk of the question.
 
Painguy said:
I see. That makes sense. I guess I was expecting a bit more out of the problem. Is there any point to the hint that was provided? I feel like I'm still missing a big chunk of the question.
You used the hint when you looked for the extremum of x. One thing you have not done is show how to determine it's a leftmost value, not a rightmost one.
 

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