Partial Derivative of 1/sin(y/2) with respect to x

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The discussion revolves around finding the partial derivative of the expression 1/sin(y/2) with respect to x, particularly in the context of treating y as a constant. Participants are exploring the implications of this treatment and the application of differentiation rules.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of sin(y/2) and whether it evaluates to zero when y is treated as a constant. There is also mention of using the quotient rule for the expression involving sin(x/2 + y/2) and concerns about dividing by zero.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to clarify the differentiation process and the treatment of constants. Some participants suggest that the expression in the denominator does not need differentiation since it is constant, while others question the implications of differentiating a constant.

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There is a focus on the potential confusion arising from the treatment of y as a constant and the implications for the differentiation process. Participants are navigating the rules of differentiation without reaching a consensus on the specific evaluation of the expressions involved.

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Homework Statement



d/dx 1/sin(y/2)


The Attempt at a Solution



this isn't an entire question, just looking for clarification about something.

i have been asked as part of a larger question to find the partial derivative of 1/sin(y) with respect to x. in this case you treat y as a constant, yes?

so d/dx of (sin(y/2) = cos(y/2)*dy/dx, since y is treated as a constant, dy/dx = 0, so d/dx of sin(y/2) = 0. if you use the quotient rule on the full equation, you divide by 0^2, which is 0, so you end up dividing by 0. Is this correct?

The full expression actually has

sin(x/2 + y/2)

above instead of 1. is it just a matter of rearranging this expression so that the bottom cancels out? or does d/dx sin(y/2) not actually evaluate to 0 in the first place?

thanks in advance!
 
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duo said:

Homework Statement



d/dx 1/sin(y/2)


The Attempt at a Solution



this isn't an entire question, just looking for clarification about something.

i have been asked as part of a larger question to find the partial derivative of 1/sin(y) with respect to x. in this case you treat y as a constant, yes?

so d/dx of (sin(y/2) = cos(y/2)*dy/dx, since y is treated as a constant, dy/dx = 0, so d/dx of sin(y/2) = 0. if you use the quotient rule on the full equation, you divide by 0^2, which is 0, so you end up dividing by 0. Is this correct?

The full expression actually has

sin(x/2 + y/2)

above instead of 1. is it just a matter of rearranging this expression so that the bottom cancels out? or does d/dx sin(y/2) not actually evaluate to 0 in the first place?

thanks in advance!


I think you are making this way too complicated as it shouldn't be.

Well first of all, you mentioned about dividing by 0^2. Remember that you can't divide anything by 0.

If you were asked to take the partial derivative of

[tex] \sin(\frac{x}{2}+\frac{y}{2})[/tex]

with respect to x, as you mentioned earlier, just treat y as a constant in this case, then take derivative.

For instance, derivative for [tex]\sin(\frac{x}{2}+\frac{1}{3})[/tex] is simply [tex]\frac{1}{2}cos(\frac{x}{2}+\frac{1}{3})[/tex]
 
right, but it's [tex]\frac{\sin({\frac{x}{2} + \frac{y}{2}})}{\sin({y/2})}[/tex]

with respect to x. so you use the quotient rule to evaluate it.

but the expression on the bottom evaluates to 0 when you differentiate with respect to x? or am i totally wrong? also thank you for responding ;-)
 
duo said:
right, but it's [tex]\frac{\sin({\frac{x}{2} + \frac{y}{2}})}{\sin({y/2})}[/tex]

with respect to x. so you use the quotient rule to evaluate it.

but the expression on the bottom evaluates to 0 when you differentiate with respect to x? or am i totally wrong? also thank you for responding ;-)

You don't necessarily have to take the derivative of bottom because it's a constant. Kind of like integral. Pull the constant out.

For instance, can you find the derivative of

[tex]\frac{\sin({\frac{x}{2} + \frac{1}{4}})}{\sin({1/4})}[/tex]

It is the exact same idea, except y is your constant here.
 

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