Partial Derivative, piecewise function

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The discussion centers on calculating the partial derivatives of a piecewise function defined as f(x,y) = xy(x^2 - y^2)/(x^2 + y^2)^2 for (x,y) ≠ (0,0) and f(0,0) = 0. Participants express confusion about evaluating these derivatives at the point (0,0) due to the function's definition. It is noted that while the function is continuous at (0,0), the mixed partial derivatives f_{xy} and f_{yx} may not be equal at this point. The conversation includes attempts to compute these derivatives by taking limits, with some participants suggesting different approaches to justify their results. The need for clarity in handling the limits and piecewise nature of the function is emphasized throughout the discussion.
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Homework Statement


Let :
f(x,y) = \frac{xy(x^2 - y^2)}{(x^2 + y^2)^2} if (x,y) \neq (0,0)
f(x,y) = 0 if (x,y) = (0,0)

a) Find f_{xx}(0,0)

b) Find f_{xy}(0,0)

c) Find f_{yx}(0,0)

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure how to deal with the piecewise defined function, I just took the first and second partial derivatives w/ respect to x (for part a), but then still I can't evaluate the resulting function at (0,0), because at the point it doesn't exist...
 
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Thomas_ said:

Homework Statement


Let :
f(x,y) = \frac{xy(x^2 - y^2)}{(x^2 + y^2)^2} if (x,y) \neq (0,0)
f(x,y) = 0 if (x,y) = (0,0)

a) Find f_{xx}(0,0)

b) Find f_{xy}(0,0)

c) Find f_{yx}(0,0)

Homework Equations


None

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure how to deal with the piecewise defined function, I just took the first and second partial derivatives w/ respect to x (for part a), but then still I can't evaluate the resulting function at (0,0), because at the point it doesn't exist...

We can't tell whether what you got is correct because you didn't tell us what you got.
 
That's not really piecewise. f(0, 0) is defined to be 0 in order to make f continuous and so differentiable. You can do the entire problem just ignoring f(0,0).
 
I have exactly the same question. The equation is even more or less the same. Mine is:

f(x,y)=\frac{xy(x^2-y^2)}{x^2+y^2} if (x,y) \neq (0,0)
f(x,y)=0 if (x,y)=(0,0).

But I'm still puzzled how to threat the point (0,0). According to my textbook, f_{xy}(0,0)\neq f_{yx}(0,0). So, I know more or less the solution, but I'm not sure that my explanation is correct.

Ignoring the point (0,0) I have:

first x, then y:
\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}}(x,y)=\frac{-y^5+yx^4+4y^3x^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2}

\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}\partial{x}}(x,y)=\frac{x^6+9x^4y^2-9x^2y^4-y^6}{(x^2+y^2)^3}

first y, then x:
\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}}(x,y)=\frac{x^5-4x^3y^2-y^4x}{(x^2+y^2)^2}

\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}\partial{y}}(x,y)=\frac{x^6+9x^4y^2-9x^2y^4-y^6}{(x^2+y^2)^3}

So, it is obvious that as long x\neq 0 and y\neq 0 that \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}\partial{x}}(x,y)=\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}\partial{y}}(x,y).

Now, for (x,y)->(0,0), how do I prove that
\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}\partial{x}}(0,0)\neq\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}\partial{y}}(0,0)? Clearly, just substituting x and y with 0 results in \frac{0}{0}.

Is it valid to say the following:
For\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}\partial{x}}(0,0), first let x-> 0 first, resulting in \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}\partial{x}}(0,y)=\frac{-y^6}{y^6}=-1, \forall y and thus\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}\partial{x}}(0,0)=-1?

For\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}\partial{y}}(0,0), first let y-> 0 first, resulting in \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}\partial{y}}(x,0)=\frac{x^6}{x^6}=1, \forall x and thus\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}\partial{y}}(0,0)=1?

This is more or less a guess. I have no clue whether it is correct and if it is correct how to justify this. Especially, I have no explanation why for \frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}\partial{x}}(0,0), I first let x->0 and not y->0.

Any help on this would be most welcome and will be highly appreciated.

(and happy new year to you all)
 
The partial derivatives are defined by the limits
f_x(x_0,y_0)= \lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{f(x_0+h, y_0)- f(x_0,y_0)}{h}
and
f_y(x_0,y_0)= \lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{f(x_0,y_0+h)- f(x_0,y_0)}{h}
Here, (x_0,y_0)= (0,0) and with h non-zero, in calculating the limit, we are not at (0,0) and so use the other formula.

Here,
f_x(0,0)= \lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{\frac{(x+h)(0)((x+h)^2- 0^2)}{(x+h)^2- 0^2)- 0}}{h}= \lim_{h\rightarrow 0} 0/h= 0[/itex] <br /> f_y(0,0)= \lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{\frac{(0)(y+h)(0^2- (y+h)^2)}{0^2-(y+h)^2- 0}}{h}= \lim_{h\rightarrow 0} 0/h= 0[/itex]&lt;br /&gt; While f_x and f_y for (x,y) not equal to (0,0) is given by differentiating f in the usual way.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Once you know f_x and f_y for (x,y) close to (0,0) do exactly the same thing with this new function to find the second derivative.
 
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