Partial Derivatives: Solving x(dz/dx)+y(dz/dy)=2z(1+z)

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The discussion revolves around the problem of demonstrating the equation x(dz/dx) + y(dz/dy) = 2z(1+z) given that z = 1 / (x^2 + y^2 - 1). The subject area involves partial derivatives and their application in multivariable calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to compute the partial derivatives dz/dx and dz/dy, expressing them in terms of z. There is discussion about expressing x and y in terms of z, but some participants express uncertainty about how to eliminate x and y from the equation. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the original equation and the implications of a missing negative sign.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the setup of the problem. Some guidance is offered regarding the approach to take with the partial derivatives and the need to verify the formula. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed, but productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a potential error in the problem statement regarding the sign in the equation to be shown. This has led to further exploration of how to manipulate the expressions involving x and y.

Pietair
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Homework Statement


If z = 1 / (x^2+y^2-1)
show that x(dz/dx)+y(dz/dy)=2z(1+z)

2. The attempt at a solution
z = (x^2+y^2-1)^-1
dz/dx = -2x(x^2+y^2-1)^-2 = -2x * z^2
dz/dy = -2y(x^2+y^2-1)^-2 = -2y * z^2

(-2x^2 * z^2) - (2y^2 * z^2) = 2z(1+z)

I can express x and y in something like z and x/y:
x = z^-1 - (z^-1*y^2)
y = z^-1 - (z^-1*x^2)

Though substituting this values in the obtained equation doesn't get me near the answer...
 
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Pietair said:

Homework Statement


If z = 1 / (x^2+y^2-1)
show that x(dz/dx)+y(dz/dy)=2z(1+z)

2. The attempt at a solution
z = (x^2+y^2-1)^-1
dz/dx = -2x(x^2+y^2-1)^-2 = -2x * z^2
dz/dy = -2y(x^2+y^2-1)^-2 = -2y * z^2

(-2x^2 * z^2) - (2y^2 * z^2) = 2z(1+z)
Yes, exactly right. Why would you want to do the following?

I can express x and y in something like z and x/y:
x = z^-1 - (z^-1*y^2)
y = z^-1 - (z^-1*x^2)

Though substituting this values in the obtained equation doesn't get me near the answer...
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, exactly right. Why would you want to do the following?
Because I have no idea how to get rid of the x and y...

Thanks for your quick reply.
 
Pietair said:

Homework Statement


If z = 1 / (x^2+y^2-1)
show that x(dz/dx)+y(dz/dy)=2z(1+z)

2. The attempt at a solution
z = (x^2+y^2-1)^-1
dz/dx = -2x(x^2+y^2-1)^-2 = -2x * z^2
dz/dy = -2y(x^2+y^2-1)^-2 = -2y * z^2

(-2x^2 * z^2) - (2y^2 * z^2) = 2z(1+z)

There's a negative sign missing in the formula you need to show. It should be
x \frac{dz}{dx} + y \frac{dz}{dy} = -2z(1+z)
 
Pietair said:
Because I have no idea how to get rid of the x and y...

Thanks for your quick reply.

It sounds like you're trying to get x and y in terms of z once you have found the partial derivatives. Leave the partials in terms of x and y, and then expand out the -2z(1+z) in terms of what z equals. This will help you verify the formula (please see my previous post for the correction to the problem statement).
 

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