Solving Homework Equations for x & y with 2x + 3y + 1 = 0

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation of the form (2x + 3y + 1)dx + (4x + 6y + 1)dy = 0, with a specific initial condition y(-2) = 2. Participants are exploring the implications of their manipulations and substitutions in the context of this equation.

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  • Participants discuss the substitution of z = 2x + 3y and its derivatives, questioning the correctness of the resulting expressions. There is a focus on verifying the steps taken to derive dz/dx and the implications of the constants involved.

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Some participants are providing guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting specific substitutions and manipulations to clarify the equation. There is an ongoing examination of the correctness of the original poster's work, with no clear consensus on the validity of the book's answer.

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There is a noted concern regarding the accuracy of the book's answer compared to the original poster's calculations, prompting further scrutiny of the steps taken in the solution process.

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Homework Statement



##(2x + 3y + 1)dx + (4x + 6y + 1) dy = 0##

##y(-2) = 2##

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



Let ##z = 2x + 3y##
then ##z^\prime = 2 + 3y^prime##

##\displaystyle \dfrac{(z + 1)}{2z + 1} + \dfrac13\left({dz \over dx} - 2\right) = 0##
##\dfrac{dz}{dx} = \dfrac{z- 1}{2z + 1}##

##x = 2z + 3\log(1 - z) + C = 2(2x + 3y) + 3\log|(1 - 2x - 3y)| + C##

Plugging the values, I get ##C = -6##

So, ##0 = x + 2y + log|3y + 2x - 1| - 2##

But the answer given is ##0 = x + 2y \color{red}{-} log|3y + 2x - 1| - 2##.

Is the answer in the book wrong ?
 
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Buffu said:

Homework Statement



##(2x + 3y + 1)dx + (4x + 6y + 1) dy = 0##

##y(-2) = 2##

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



Let ##z = 2x + 3y##
then ##z^\prime = 2 + 3y^prime##

##\displaystyle \dfrac{(z + 1)}{2z + 1} + \dfrac13\left({dz \over dx} - 2\right) = 0##
##\dfrac{dz}{dx} = \dfrac{z- 1}{2z + 1}##

##x = 2z + 3\log(1 - z) + C = 2(2x + 3y) + 3\log|(1 - 2x - 3y)| + C##

Plugging the values, I get ##C = -6##

So, ##0 = x + 2y + log|3y + 2x - 1| - 2##

But the answer given is ##0 = x + 2y \color{red}{-} log|3y + 2x - 1| - 2##.

Is the answer in the book wrong ?
@Buffu I looked over your solution=I don't see any mistakes.
 
Hi Buffu:

I think your equation where dz/dx = f(x)is wrong.
You want to do two things first.
1. Substitute z=2x+3y into the given equation.
2. Substitute an expression for dy=g(dz) into the result of step 1.

Hope that helps.

Regards,
Buzz
 
Buzz Bloom said:
Hi Buffu:

I think your equation where dz/dx = f(x)is wrong.
You want to do two things first.
1. Substitute z=2x+3y into the given equation.
2. Substitute an expression for dy=g(dz) into the result of step 1.

Hope that helps.

Regards,
Buzz
##\displaystyle \dfrac{(z + 1)}{2z + 1} + \dfrac13\left({dz \over dx} - 2\right) = 0 \iff \dfrac{(3z + 3) - 4z - 2}{2z + 1} + {dz \over dx} = 0\iff \dfrac{ 1 - z}{2z + 1} + {dz \over dx} = 0 ##
 
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