Partial Differentials Identity

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship involving partial derivatives for a function z that is dependent on variables x and y, specifically focusing on the identity (dz/dx)(dy/dz)(dx/dy) = -1. The context is within the realm of partial differential equations and the properties of invertible functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definition of invertibility in this context and suggest rewriting the variables in terms of one another. There are attempts to utilize total differentials to derive relationships between the partial derivatives. Some participants express uncertainty about the rigor of using differential notation versus total derivatives.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing various approaches and questioning the assumptions involved in the problem. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several lines of reasoning are being explored, including the relationship between total and partial derivatives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for assumptions regarding the invertibility of the function and the implications this has on the relationships between the derivatives. There is also mention of the potential complexity introduced by using total derivatives instead of partial derivatives.

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Homework Statement



Prove that if z=z(x,y) is invertible that:

(dz/dx)(dy/dz)(dx/dy)=-1 where the d's represent partial differentiation not total differentiation



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I guess you start with the 6 total derivatives and substitute them into each other in someway. Beyond this I have no idea.
 
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so what is the definition of invertible here?
 
I think that you can write it as x=x(y,z) and y=y(x,z)?
 
try starting with the total differential
dz = \frac{\partial z}{\partial x}dx + \frac{\partial z}{\partial y} dy
 
I've reduced it to:

dz=2(dz/dx)(dx/dy)(dy/dz)dz+((dz/dy)(dy/dz)+(dy/dx)(dx/dy))dz

So I need to show that (dz/dy)(dy/dz)+(dy/dx)(dx/dy)=2 where the d's are partial derivatives. If total derivatives this is obvious, am I missing something obvious here?

Also, is using this differential notation perfectly rigorous, I was expecting to have to do it using total derivatives or does that just create a lot more work.
 
so try 2 differentials
dz = \frac{\partial z}{\partial x}dx + \frac{\partial z}{\partial y} dy
dx = \frac{\partial x}{\partial z}dz + \frac{\partial x}{\partial y} dy

now try subtstituting in for dx

you'll have to make some assumptions (may need to prove) but due to the invertibility you're probably safe to assume
\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} = \frac{1}{\frac{\partial x}{\partial z}}

though i must say I haven't dealt with a function specifically defined as invertible like this

as for the differential v total derivatives, they can be derived from each other
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_derivative
 

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