Partial fractions before Inverse Laplace

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The discussion revolves around a lowpass circuit transformed to the S-domain, with the goal of converting the transient response to the time domain after exposure to a unit step input. The transfer function of the circuit is provided, and the participants are exploring the use of partial fractions to facilitate this conversion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the arrangement of the equation involving partial fractions, expressing difficulties in identifying constants and the correct form of decomposition. There is mention of whether the quadratic in the denominator can be factored or is irreducible, which influences the approach to the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the forms of partial fraction decomposition based on the nature of the quadratic. Others are actively working through the problem but express uncertainty and seek clarification on specific numerical values encountered in examples.

Contextual Notes

There is a note that the constants used in the decomposition (A, B, C) are distinct from the parameters of the circuit (a, b). The discussion also highlights the challenge of working with irreducible quadratics and the implications for finding the inverse Laplace transform.

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Homework Statement


I have this lowpass circuit which I have transformed to the S-domain.
The circuit is to be exposed to a unit step, and then I shall convert the transient response to the time domain.

Here's the transfer function of the lowpass circuit:

[tex]H(s) = \frac{\frac{1}{LC}}{s^2 + s \frac{1}{RC} + \frac{1}{LC}}[/tex]

[itex]\frac{1}{LC} = 1000000[/itex]
[itex]\frac{1}{RC} = 0,001415[/itex]


The function of the unit step is
[tex]x(t)=1 --> X(s) = \frac{1}{s}[/tex]


Homework Equations



[tex] Y(s) = H(s) * X(s)[/tex]


[tex] Y(s) = \frac{\frac{1}{LC}}{s^2 + s \frac{1}{RC} + \frac{1}{LC}} * \frac{1}{s}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Now, my problem is that I have great difficulties "arranging" the equation before converting it back to the time domain.
I know that it involves some partial fractions and some unknows (A, B, C and so forth), but even though I have studied the relevant subject in my textbook, I can't f*cking do it.

I'll show you what I got so far (wrong as it may be)

[tex] 1: \frac{A}{s} * \frac{B}{s^2 + s \frac{1}{RC} + \frac{1}{LC}} = \frac{\frac{1}{LC}}{s*(s^2 + s \frac{1}{RC} + \frac{1}{LC}})[/tex]

[tex] 2: A*(s^2 + s \frac{1}{RC} + \frac{1}{LC}) + Bs = 1[/tex]


I feel that I'am wondering in the dark, so if someone could point me in the right direction or even shed some light over what I am doing and how I am suppose to do it I would be very very happy :)
 
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Twinflower said:

Homework Statement


I have this lowpass circuit which I have transformed to the S-domain.
The circuit is to be exposed to a unit step, and then I shall convert the transient response to the time domain.

Here's the transfer function of the lowpass circuit:

[tex]H(s) = \frac{\frac{1}{LC}}{s^2 + s \frac{1}{RC} + \frac{1}{LC}}[/tex]

[itex]\frac{1}{LC} = 1000000[/itex]
[itex]\frac{1}{RC} = 0,001415[/itex]


The function of the unit step is
[tex]x(t)=1 --> X(s) = \frac{1}{s}[/tex]


Homework Equations



[tex] Y(s) = H(s) * X(s)[/tex]


[tex] Y(s) = \frac{\frac{1}{LC}}{s^2 + s \frac{1}{RC} + \frac{1}{LC}} * \frac{1}{s}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Now, my problem is that I have great difficulties "arranging" the equation before converting it back to the time domain.
I know that it involves some partial fractions and some unknows (A, B, C and so forth), but even though I have studied the relevant subject in my textbook, I can't f*cking do it.

I'll show you what I got so far (wrong as it may be)

[tex] 1: \frac{A}{s} * \frac{B}{s^2 + s \frac{1}{RC} + \frac{1}{LC}} = \frac{\frac{1}{LC}}{s*(s^2 + s \frac{1}{RC} + \frac{1}{LC}})[/tex]

[tex] 2: A*(s^2 + s \frac{1}{RC} + \frac{1}{LC}) + Bs = 1[/tex]


I feel that I'am wondering in the dark, so if someone could point me in the right direction or even shed some light over what I am doing and how I am suppose to do it I would be very very happy :)

Let's simplify things a bit by writing what you have as
$$Y(s) = \frac{b}{s(s^2 + as + b)}$$

Here a = 1/(RC) and b = 1/(LC)

The decomposition you need to use depends on whether s2 + as + b has real factors or is an irreducible quadratic.

If s2 + as + b can be factored into (s - r1)(s - r2), then Y(s) can be decomposed like this:
$$Y(s) = \frac{A}{s} + \frac{B}{s - r_1} + \frac{C}{s - r_2}$$

A, B, and C are constants; C is unrelated to the capacitance C of the problem.

If s2 + as + b is an irreducible quadratic, then the decomposition goes like this:
$$Y(s) = \frac{A}{s} + \frac{Bs + C}{s^2 + as + b} $$

Whichever form is applicable, the idea is to solve for the constants A, B, and C, so that you can more easily find the inverse Laplace transform, resulting in y(t).
 
I should mention that a and b are different from A and B.
 
Ok, thanks.

The demoninator is irreducible quadratic.

I am working may way further now and I'll get back when/if it stops
 
OK, I am officially stuck - again.

I am looking at the below example, but I can't figure out where the numbers in the red squares comes from (10, 13, 60).

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-sl9wXn3g43b3FadGg1VUU1X2s Edit: Ok, I guess the number 10 is the numerator in F(s) and 13 is the last part of the equation in the denominator. That leaves "60". Where the hell comes that from?
 
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The numbers in the red squares are actually 10/13, -10/13, and -60/13.

Starting with
$$\frac{10}{s(s^2 + 6s + 13)} = \frac{A}{s} + \frac{Bs + C}{s^2 + 6s + 13}$$

multiply both sides by s(s2 + 6s + 13).

That gives you
10 = A(s2 + 6s + 13) + s(Bs + C)

This equation is actually an identity that must hold for all values of s, other than the three that make the denominators zero in the original equation.

Solve for A, B, and C, and you should get 10/13, -10/13, and -60/13, respectively, assuming the work in the photo you sent is correct.
 

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