Partially decoupled linear system

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The problem involves a system of differential equations given by x' = x - 3y and y' = -2y. The original poster seeks to identify two solutions that are straight lines, characterized by a constant ratio y(t)/x(t). The context suggests an exploration of the nature of these solutions and their relationship to the system's behavior.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the problem, particularly the significance of the ratio y(t)/x(t) in identifying straight line solutions. There is mention of substituting zero for the derivatives to explore potential solutions.

Discussion Status

Some participants are questioning the approach to finding solutions, with one suggesting that the focus should be on straight line solutions through the origin rather than equilibrium solutions. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the equations and the concept of eigenvalues and eigenvectors in this context.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the definition of equilibrium solutions and the nature of the solutions being sought. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the mathematical relationships involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement



x' = x-3y
y'= -2y

There are two solutions of this system that lie on straight lines, in the sense
that the ratio y(t)/x(t) is constant along each such solution. Find these lines and the
corresponding solutions.

Homework Equations



None in particular that I can think of


The Attempt at a Solution



I don't follow the question. I see that it asks for 2 particular solutions that are straight lines but how does y(t)/x(t) come into this to help me solve for them?

thanks
 
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Homework Statement



x' = x-3y
y'= -2y

There are two solutions of this system that lie on straight lines, in the sense
that the ratio y(t)/x(t) is constant along each such solution. Find these lines and the
corresponding solutions.

Homework Equations



None in particular that I can think of


The Attempt at a Solution



I don't follow the question. I see that it asks for 2 particular solutions that are straight lines but how does y(t)/x(t) come into this to help me solve for them?

thanks
I believe that where they're going with this problem is looking at the solutions if x' = 0 or y' = 0. Substitute 0 for x' and y' and you'll see that the solutions are straight lines, and the ratio y(t)/x(t) will make more sense.
 
I'm afraid (and amazed) that Mark44 is mistaken here (or I am misunderstanding him- more likely that). You are NOT looking for "equilibrium solutions" (where x'= 0 and y'= 0). The only equilibrium solution is (0, 0). What you are looking for are straight line solutions through (0, 0).

If y= mx, then y'= mx'. Since y'= x- 3y and y'= -2y, that says that -2y= m(x- 3y). but y= mx so that is -2mx= m(x- 3mx)= m(1- 3)x. Since that is to be true for all x, -2m= m(1- 3m). Can you solve that equation for m? What lines does that give you?

(The values of m, by the way, will be eigenvalues of the coefficient matrix,
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}1 & -3 \\ 0 & -2\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
and the lines are in the direction of the eigenvectors.)
 
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HallsofIvy said:
I'm afraid (and amazed) that Mark44 is mistaken here (or I am misunderstanding him- more likely that).
It can happen that I am mistaken. :blushing:
 

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