Particle or wave: What is the true nature of light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of light, specifically whether it behaves as a particle or a wave. Participants explore concepts related to wave-particle duality, interactions of light with air, and the implications of these interactions in different contexts, including sonic booms and high-energy phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if light were a particle, it should create sonic booms due to its speed exceeding that of sound, but they note that this does not occur.
  • Another participant questions the idea that individual photons could generate sonic booms, arguing that a massive object is needed for such an effect.
  • It is proposed that light interacts with air primarily as a wave due to its wavelength being larger than the size of air molecules, leading to a lack of particle-like collisions.
  • A later reply mentions that at high energies, such as with gamma radiation, photons may interact with air in a more particle-like manner.
  • One participant acknowledges the dual nature of light, agreeing that it can be viewed as both a particle and a wave.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Cherenkov radiation, stating that high-energy charged particles can produce effects analogous to sonic booms, but emphasizes that light itself does not behave this way.
  • A final comment suggests that light may not fit neatly into the categories of particle or wave, hinting at more complex interpretations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of light, with some agreeing on its duality while others propose that it may not conform strictly to either classification. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these views.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for a massive object to generate sonic booms and the conditions under which light interacts with matter, indicating that assumptions about particle behavior may depend on specific contexts and definitions.

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If light is a particle then it should definitely make sonic booms.but i did not find them even by keeping my er on light.ok light value is high but even if these guys did mistake in calculations then also it is definitely greater 1000km/hr but i would not happen.even for x-rays holds ssame.and protons,electrons,neutrons.
 
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Sonic booms?
 
... He thinks individual photons traveling through air should generate sonic booms because speed of light is greater than speed of sound.I don't think any particle beam would generate a sonic boom traveling through air at supersonic speeds. Seems to me like you need a fairly massive object for that. But I could be off.

In any case, light interacts with air as a wave. Keep in mind that all particles exhibit duality. They have wave-like properties and particle-like properties. Nothing is strictly one or the other. But different interactions can result in one or the other manifesting strongly. Wavelength of visible light being greater than size of molecules in air, and even greater than average distance between molecules, light will interact with air as a wave. Therefore, there are no particle-like collisions between photons and air molecules.

At sufficiently high energies, such as these of gamma radiation, photons will begin interacting with air in a more particle-like manner.
 
K^2 said:
... He thinks individual photons traveling through air should generate sonic booms because speed of light is greater than speed of sound.


I don't think any particle beam would generate a sonic boom traveling through air at supersonic speeds. Seems to me like you need a fairly massive object for that. But I could be off.

In any case, light interacts with air as a wave. Keep in mind that all particles exhibit duality. They have wave-like properties and particle-like properties. Nothing is strictly one or the other. But different interactions can result in one or the other manifesting strongly. Wavelength of visible light being greater than size of molecules in air, and even greater than average distance between molecules, light will interact with air as a wave. Therefore, there are no particle-like collisions between photons and air molecules.

At sufficiently high energies, such as these of gamma radiation, photons will begin interacting with air in a more particle-like manner.

Thanks i did not knew that thing i thought light is both a particle and wave.
 
i thought light is both a particle and wave.
That is true.

High-energetic charged particles in matter can produce the electromagnetic equivalent to a sonic boom: Cherenkov radiation
But that requires charged and very quick particles, light does not work.
 
norhh said:
Thanks i did not knew that thing i thought light is both a particle and wave.

Actually, it may be neither.

You should start by reading the FAQ subforum in the General Physics forum, and in particular, this entry:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=511178

Zz.
 

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