Particle's position as a function of time - Integration

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The discussion revolves around a particle falling under gravity, subject to a retarding force proportional to its velocity. The original poster seeks to find the position of the particle as a function of time, starting from rest, and to demonstrate that it will eventually reach a terminal velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods of integrating the equations of motion, including the use of integrating factors. The original poster questions the meaning of an exact derivative and the process of determining the integrating factor. Others suggest alternative substitutions and express confusion about the steps involved in the integration process.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem, with some participants making progress in understanding the integration technique. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final steps needed to complete the solution, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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Participants note the challenge of working with the equations and the difficulty in determining the integrating factor. There is also mention of imposed homework rules and the limits of allowed "Eureka" moments, which may affect the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement



A particle falling under gravity is subjet to a retarding force proportional to its velocity. Find its position as a function of time, if it starts from rest, and show that it will eventually reach a terminal velocity.

2. The attempt at a solution

To save myself some latex time, I skipped a couple of the intermediary steps here:

F_{tot}=F_{g}-F_{retarding}

m\ddot{x}=-mg-\lambda\dot{x}

\ddot{x}=-g-\frac{\lambda}{m}\dot{x}

let

\gamma=\frac{\lambda}{m}

then

\frac{d}{dt}dx=-gdt-\gamma dx

integrating both sides

\frac{d}{dt}\int_{o}^{x}dx=-g\int_{0}^{t}dt-\gamma\int_{0}^{x}dx

\dot{x}+\gamma x=-gt

This final equation I get is correct (hopefully my procedure is too) and at this point, the question offers a hint:

[HINT: After the first integration, use an integrating factor, i.e. a function f(t) such when the equation is multiplied by f(t), the left-hand side becomes an exact derivative, in fact, the derivative of xf. The final stage requires an integration by parts]

This is where I got stuck. How do I determine the integrating factor f(t)? And what exactly is meant by "the left-hand side becomes an exact derivative, in fact, the derivative of xf"?

Your help is appreciated, thanks!
phyz
 
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phyzmatix said:
… And what exactly is meant by "the left-hand side becomes an exact derivative, in fact, the derivative of xf"?

Hi phyz! :smile:

(have a lambda: λ :wink:)

Wouldn't it be easier to put x' = v, so mv' = -mg - λv? :wink:

An exact derivative means something like vcos(t) + v'sin(t) …

it's exactly the derivative of vsin(t) :smile:
 
Ho Mr Tim! :smile:

I'd love to say that I see where you're going, but that would be a blatant lie! :-p

So please bear with me...

tiny-tim said:
Wouldn't it be easier to put x' = v, so mv' = -mg - λv? :wink:

How would this be easier necessarily? I'd still end up with

<br /> \dot{x}+\gamma x=-gt<br />

wouldn't I? :confused:

An exact derivative means something like vcos(t) + v'sin(t) …

it's exactly the derivative of vsin(t) :smile:

Oh, OK...I get this bit...But how? Grrrr! I hate feeling so daft :cry:
 
becomes an exact derivative, in fact, the derivative of xf

So if x is a function of t and we know f is a function of t then the derivative of xf will be

\frac{d}{dt}xf(t)=\dot{x}f(t)+xf&#039;(t)

Right?...but that doesn't bring me any closer to determining f(t)...

*banging head on desk*
 
Hold on...methinks the grey matter is kicking in (albeit slowly)...if what I have above is right, then

f&#039;(t)=\gamma

so

f(t)=\gamma t

?

...hang in there, I need to get to pen and paper! :biggrin:
 
*sigh*

Nope...screwed up...

*back to banging head on desk*
 
phyzmatix said:
How would this be easier necessarily? I'd still end up with

<br /> \dot{x}+\gamma x=-gt<br />

wouldn't I? :confused:

It's easier because your equation had x' x and t, but mine only has v' and v, and can be integrated immediately to give v as a function of t. :wink:
Oh, OK...I get this bit {exact derivative}...But how? Grrrr! I hate feeling so daft :cry

You need to find a function f(t) to multiply x' + γx,

so that f(t)x' + γf(t)x is an exact derivative, of the form g(t)x' + g'(t)x …

so the equation relating f f' g and g' is … ? :smile:
 
I think I may actually have it now...if we let

f(t)=e^{\gamma t}

and we multiply it with

\dot{x}+\gamma x=-gt

throughout, then we get

\dot{x}e^{\gamma t}+x\gamma e^{\gamma t}=-gt

and

\dot{x}e^{\gamma t}+x\gamma e^{\gamma t}

is an exact derivative of

x e^{\gamma t}

How's that? Or am I still missing the mark?

Thanks for your help Tiny-Tim! It really is much appreciated! :smile:
 
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Yes, that's exactly right! :biggrin:

(btw, the general method would be g'/g = γ, so ln(g) = ∫γdt + C, or g = Ae∫γdt

in this case, γ is constant, so it's just Aeγt)
 
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tiny-tim said:
Yes, that's exactly right! :biggrin:

(btw, the general method would be g'/g = γ, so ln(g) = ∫γdt + C, or g = Ae∫γdt

in this case, γ is constant, so it's just Aeγt)

Can you believe that I actually understand what you're saying! :biggrin:

OK, so progress has been made...However, it seems as if last night I used up my allowed number of "Eureka" moments for the week and haven't been able to complete the solution :frown:

I know that the answer to this problem is

x=(\frac{g}{\gamma^2})(1-e^{-\gamma t})-\frac{gt}{\gamma}

But can't seem to make the connection required to move there from

\dot{x}e^{\gamma t}+x\gamma e^{\gamma t}=-gt

At first I thought that, since we now have an exact derivative, we could just integrate both sides with respect to t as follows

\int(\dot{x}e^{\gamma t}+x\gamma e^{\gamma t})dt=-g\int tdt
xe^{\gamma t}=-\frac{\gamma}{2}t^2

Which is clearly going the wrong way Then I thought

\dot{x}e^{\gamma t}+x\gamma e^{\gamma t}=-gt
\frac{dx}{dt}e^{\gamma t}+x\gamma e^{\gamma t}=-gt
e^{\gamma t}dx + x\gamma e^{\gamma t}dt=-gt dt
dx=-\gamma x dt -\frac{gt}{e^{\gamma t}}dt

But what then to do with the term

-\gamma x dt :confused:

Where am I going wrong?
 
  • #11
Hi phyzmatix! :smile:

(btw, I'm having difficulty reading your x-dots … I wish you'd use dashes instead of dots and maybe not even use latex :redface:)
phyzmatix said:
Can you believe that I actually understand what you're saying! :biggrin:

:biggrin: Woohoo! :biggrin:
OK, so progress has been made...However, it seems as if last night I used up my allowed number of "Eureka" moments for the week and haven't been able to complete the solution :frown:

You need to recharge by having a bath in between. :wink:
I know that the answer to this problem is

x=(\frac{g}{\gamma^2})(1-e^{-\gamma t})-\frac{gt}{\gamma}

But can't seem to make the connection required to move there from

\dot{x}e^{\gamma t}+x\gamma e^{\gamma t}=-gt

Where am I going wrong?

erm :redface: …\dot{x}e^{\gamma t}+x\gamma e^{\gamma t}=-e^{\gamma t} gt :wink:
 
  • #12
tiny-tim said:
Hi phyzmatix! :smile:

(btw, I'm having difficulty reading your x-dots … I wish you'd use dashes instead of dots and maybe not even use latex :redface:)


Done! :smile:

erm :redface: …\dot{x}e^{\gamma t}+x\gamma e^{\gamma t}=-e^{\gamma t} gt :wink:

Ye gods! What a muppet! :redface:
 
  • #13
Mr Tim, you're a legend! :biggrin:

Thank you so much for your patience! :smile:
 
  • #14
thanks :smile:

and now try it again, starting with v'/(g + γv) = -1, just to see the difference :wink:
 

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