Paschen-Back and Zeeman in different base

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The discussion centers on the Zeeman and Paschen-Back effects in magnetic fields, specifically how results can vary when using different basesets (coupled J,mj and uncoupled mlms). Participants clarify that the discrepancies arise not from the bases themselves but from the choice of zeroth order Hamiltonians (H(0)). The perturbation series derived from different H(0) can lead to significantly different approximations of eigenstates and energies. A first-order correction from one Hamiltonian may yield accurate results, while another may result in divergence.

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Hello,

In the image below, we see the result of the Zeeman and Paschen-Back effect in a magnetic field which we worked out, together with the exact result, described in different basesets (coupled J,mj and uncoupled mlms).


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I understand that each effect can be better described in a different set, but I don't understand how that the result can be so 'wrong' compared to the exact result by using this different base.

I thought it was possible to go from coupled to uncoupled and visa versa, doesn't this also mean that an effect has to give the same results in a different base? Where does these errors come from?


I hope my question is clear enough :X
 
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How exactly did you "work it out"? Do you refer to a perturbational treatment?
 
DrDu said:
How exactly did you "work it out"? Do you refer to a perturbational treatment?

yes.

For example PB:

H(0) = H_Bohr + H_Zeeman
H(1) (perturbation Hamiltonian) = H_SO (spin orbit coupling)

with H_Zeeman = b(l_z = g_e.s_Z

and H_SO = l.s = 1/2(l_+s_- + l_-s_+) + l_z.s_z
 
What you probably did was not using different bases but different zeroth order hamiltonians which have the corresponding basefunctions as eigenstates.
The perturbation series obtained starting from different zeroth order hamiltonians may differ dramatically. Using one H_0 already a first order correction may be sufficient to obtain a very good approximation to the exact eigenstates and energies while with another H_0 the perturbation series may be highly divergent.
 
DrDu said:
What you probably did was not using different bases but different zeroth order hamiltonians which have the corresponding basefunctions as eigenstates.
The perturbation series obtained starting from different zeroth order hamiltonians may differ dramatically. Using one H_0 already a first order correction may be sufficient to obtain a very good approximation to the exact eigenstates and energies while with another H_0 the perturbation series may be highly divergent.


Ah yes, seems a fitting explanation, thanks! :)
 

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