Paths of Objects in GR: Acceleration vs Constant Velocity

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The discussion revolves around the paths of objects in general relativity (GR), specifically comparing the trajectories of objects moving with constant velocity versus those undergoing acceleration. Participants explore the implications of curved spacetime on these paths, seeking to clarify the differences in their geometric representations and physical interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that an unaccelerated body follows a geodesic, which appears locally straight in three dimensions and linear in time, while an accelerated body's path does not follow a geodesic and bends in the time direction.
  • Others question the definition of a geodesic, suggesting that while a geodesic can be considered a straight line in certain geometries, it is not universally a straight line in all contexts.
  • A participant proposes a visual analogy using flat Minkowski spacetime to illustrate the difference between the paths of an unaccelerated body and an accelerated body, describing the geometric implications of acceleration on the path's curvature.
  • There is a request for more intuitive or visual explanations to better understand the differences between the two types of motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of geodesics and their relationship to straight lines, indicating a lack of consensus on terminology and conceptual understanding. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to visualize and interpret the differences between the paths of objects in constant velocity and those in acceleration.

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Some limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of geodesics and the assumptions made about the curvature of spacetime. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with general relativity among participants.

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In words, how would a path of an object moving in a straight line with a constant velocity differ from the path of an accelerating object moving in a straight line according to Einstein's picture of curved space-time?
 
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If you already know that the object moves in a straight line in both cases, then...it moves in a straight line in both cases! The path is the same!

However, concerning space-time's shape around the object, I think it's not even bent, if the acceleration is constant, but it's only an intuitive idea I have in this moment; I really would like to know something more about it, because I don't have, practically, any knowledge of general relativity.
 
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Swapnil said:
In words, how would a path of an object moving in a straight line with a constant velocity differ from the path of an accelerating object moving in a straight line according to Einstein's picture of curved space-time?


A unaccelerated body would fillow a geodesic (no literally straight lines in a curved geometry!) The path would look locally straight in three dimensions and it would also be linear in time.

An accelerated body's path would not be a geodesic; although it might look the same in three dimensions, it would bend in the time direction.
 
selfAdjoint said:
no[t] literally straight lines in a curved geometry!

Isn't a geodesic the definition of a straight line in a curved geometry?
 
No. A straight line is a geodesic in geometries that admit them but, in general, a geodesic in not a straight line. You may be thinking that geodesics have the properties of straight lines (shortest distance between two points) and some people do use the terms "straight line" for a general geodesic but, in my opinion, that's an unfortunate abuse of terminology.
 
selfAdjoint said:
A unaccelerated body would fillow a geodesic (no literally straight lines in a curved geometry!) The path would look locally straight in three dimensions and it would also be linear in time.

An accelerated body's path would not be a geodesic; although it might look the same in three dimensions, it would bend in the time direction.
I see, but I don't "see." Is there a more visual way to see the difference between the paths of the two objects. Maybe by an analogy or something...
 
If you follow your nose, without turning your head, you are following a geodesic path.

This is a less technical way of saying that a geodesic curve "parallel transports" a vector (represented in this case by a line from the middle of your head to the tip of your nose) that is intitally tangent along a path (pointing in the direction that you are walking) so that it remains tangent along the path.

There are some more technical explanations in http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/gr/outline2.html which explain this in more detail to make it more precise.

A geodesic also usually extremizes an action function - in the case of space-time, a geodesic extremizes proper time. This usually means that a geodesic path has a longer proper time than any neighboring path.
 
Swapnil said:
I see, but I don't "see." Is there a more visual way to see the difference between the paths of the two objects. Maybe by an analogy or something...

Well let's see. In order to simplify, let's drop the curvature stipulation and consider what happens in "flat" Minkowski spacetime; and to make it more visual, let's consider a reduced dimension picture in which the spatial part is only two- and not three-dimensional, and time is represented by the third dimension.

So consider an unaccelerated body moving from (0,0) to (4,3) in time 1 (using whatever compatible units you like). The distance, by Pythagoras in this 3-4-5 triangle in the plane is 5 units. and the 4-displacement by Minkowki is [tex]\sqrt{-t^2 + s^2} = \sqrt{-1 + 25} = 2\sqrt{6}[/tex], measured along a straight line in the t-x-y solid. The straightness is the spacetime geometric fact that corresponds to the dynamic fact of no acceleration.

Now suppose the body is accelerated along the same line with constant acceleration 2 (i.e. 2 space units per time unit squared). So in the same span of time 1 its speed will increase from the original 5 to 10, and in the t-s plane the equation of its path will be [tex]t^2 - 2s^2[/tex], a parabola. The curvature of the path in spacetime is the geometric fact that corresponds to the presence of an acceleration.

Does that help any?
 

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