Pendulum and Centripetal Motion Question

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a pendulum at the bottom of its swing after being raised to a certain height. The subject area includes concepts of centripetal motion and energy conservation in physics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of centripetal force equations and the role of tension and gravitational forces. Some suggest using conservation of energy to relate potential energy to kinetic energy, while others express confusion about the correct setup of the equations.

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Several participants are exploring different approaches to the problem, with one suggesting the use of conservation of energy as a more straightforward method. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the forces involved at various points in the pendulum's swing.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for discussion. There is a noted discrepancy between calculated results and expected answers, prompting further inquiry into the methods used.

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[SOLVED] Pendulum and Centripetal Motion Question

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The Problem/Question
Calculate the speed of a 2.0m length pendulum at the very bottom of the swing if you raise it a vertical height of 0.12m


Relevant equations

F_net = F_T + F_G = F_C = m(\frac{V^2}{r})

The attempt at a solution

Well, after looking over this problem, I think I'm doing something amazingly wrong.

Looking at My equations, I went from

F_C = F_T + mg

to

m(\frac{V^2}{r}) = F_T + mg

From there I got:

\frac {V^2}{r} = F_T + g because the masses cancel.

Next:

V^2 = gr + F_T

After finding (-9.81\frac{m}{s}^2)(2.0m) = 19.62, I found the square root which was 4.429 \frac {m}{s}^2

The problem is that after looking at the answer sheet, The answer is supposed to be:

1.5\frac{m}{s}^2

Could someone please help as to tell me where I went wrong?
 
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Hi MaZnFLip,

MaZnFLiP said:
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The Problem/Question
Calculate the speed of a 2.0m length pendulum at the very bottom of the swing if you raise it a vertical height of 0.12m


Relevant equations

F_net = F_T + F_G = F_C = m(\frac{V^2}{r})

The attempt at a solution

Well, after looking over this problem, I think I'm doing something amazingly wrong.

Looking at My equations, I went from

F_C = F_T + mg

At the bottom of the swing, the equation would be F_c=F_T - mg, but everywhere else along the swing the tension is not in the opposite direction as the weight, and you would need some trig functions to take that effect into account. Also, you would need to take into account the tangential acceleration that is actually causing the mass to speed up.

Rather than that, I would suggest using conservation of energy for this problem. What does that give?
 
Umm. The way I learned to use conservation of energy is converting PE since its higher up and when it goes all the way down it turns into KE so PE = KE. That means that MGH = 0.5mv^2 and since the masses cancel that would leave me with GH = 0.5v^2. Multiplying GH together would give me 1.1772. After dividing that with 0.5, I then get 2.3544. Finally, After getting the square root of that, I ended up getting 1.5m/s! Yes! Thank you so much!
 
Sure, glad to help!
 

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