Penetration Depth of General Complex Conductivity

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of the skin-depth expression for general complex conductivity as presented in Michael Tinkham's "Introduction to Superconductivity." Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings, assumptions, and potential issues in the derivation process, particularly in the context of superconductors and good conductors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines their derivation process for the skin-depth expression, highlighting potential issues with assumptions made regarding the displacement current and charge density.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "general" in the context of Tinkham's solution, suggesting it may imply applicability to all superconductors or good conductors.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of removing the displacement current term, indicating that it may be justified under certain conditions.
  • There is a suggestion that Tinkham's use of "general" may refer to the inclusion of both real and imaginary parts of conductivity, while still being limited to good conductors.
  • A participant notes that the formula is presented in Gaussian units, which could lead to confusion for those accustomed to SI units.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the interpretation of "general" in Tinkham's context and whether the assumptions made in the derivation are valid. There is no consensus on the implications of these assumptions or the characterization of the skin-depth expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the assumptions made during the derivation, particularly regarding the displacement current and the conditions under which the skin-depth expression is applicable. The discussion remains open regarding the validity of these assumptions.

IDumb
Messages
13
Reaction score
0
Hi all,

I'm working through chapter 2 of Michael Tinkham's Introduction to Superconductivity. On page 40, he asserts that the skin-depth for a general complex conductivity is (In Gaussian units)
$$\delta = \frac{c}{\sqrt{2\pi\omega\left(|\sigma| + \sigma_2\right)}}$$
where $$\sigma = \sigma_1 - i\sigma_2$$

I am trying to derive this skin-depth expression, but can't seem to get it. My process is as follows. I have bolded the two places where potential issues could be. Start with combining Faraday's law and Ampere's law:
$$\vec{\nabla}\times\vec{E} = -\frac{1}{c}\frac{\partial\vec{B}}{\partial t}$$
$$ \vec{\nabla}\times\vec{\nabla}\times\vec{E} = -\frac{1}{c}\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\left(\frac{4\pi}{c}\vec{J} + \frac{1}{c}\frac{\partial\vec{E}}{\partial t}\right)$$
Now use J = \sigma E and assume E = exp(i\omega t),
$$ \vec{\nabla}(\vec{\nabla}\cdot\vec{E}) - \nabla^2\vec{E} = -\frac{1}{c}\left(\frac{i4\pi\sigma\omega}{c}\vec{E} - \frac{\omega^2}{c}\vec{E}\right) $$

Now a potentially sketchy step, I assume the displacement current term is very small (I'm dealing with a superconductor here, so it makes sense), and I also assume the charge density is spatially uniform. This results in eliminating the first and fourth terms. I think this may be where I'm losing it, but I'm not sure how else to do it. The result is

$$\nabla^2\vec{E} = \frac{i4\pi\sigma\omega}{c^2}\vec{E}$$

Solving this,

$$\vec{E} = \vec{E}_0\exp{\left(-\sqrt{\frac{i4\pi\sigma\omega}{c^2}}z\right)} $$

$$= \vec{E}_0 \exp{\left(-\sqrt{\frac{4\pi\omega(\sigma_2 + i\sigma_1)}{c^2}}z\right)}$$

I'm having trouble now. I try to separate this into real and imaginary parts, but the real part does not seem to be what Tinkham has. I think the way I'm taking the squareroot of a complex number is the problem.

$$= \vec{E}_0 \exp{\left(-\sqrt{\frac{4\pi\omega|\sigma|}{c^2}}\left(\cos{\theta/2} + i\sin{\theta/2}\right)\right)}$$
Where $$\theta = \arctan{\frac{\sigma_1}{\sigma_2}}$$

The resulting skin depth is
$$\delta = \frac{c}{\sqrt{4\pi\omega |\sigma |}}\frac{1}{\cos{\theta/2}}$$
This makes sense to me, is close to the given value, and reduces to the skin depth of a real conductivity for \sigma_2 = 0, as it should. My expression does reduce to Tinkham's if I assume \sigma_1 << \sigma_2, which is a very reasonable approximation. But the assertion in the book that this is a "genera" solution is what troubles me.

Does anyone have ideas on what I'm missing? I would really appreciate your help!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I assume \sigma_1 << \sigma_2, . . . the assertion in the book that this is a "genera" solution is what troubles me

Given the title of the book, does "general" solution simply mean it's true all superconductors (or even all reasonably good conductors)?
 
John Park said:
Given the title of the book, does "general" solution simply mean it's true all superconductors (or even all reasonably good conductors)?

I assume so. That's the justification for removing the displacement current term at least. He says a "General complex conductivity" though... Which contradicts that.
 
"General complex conductivity"

I still suspect it's semantic. As far as I can tell a real, frequency-dependent skin-depth implies a good conductor. How does Tinkham set up the problem?
 
I just looked at Tinkham's page 40 on the web; he says he's "solving the skin depth problem", as though it's an understood procedure, presumably with standard assumptions and approximations. And he's talking about good conductors the whole time; so I think "general" here simply means both real and imaginary parts of σ are included, but they're still limited to a good conductor.
 
Note: that formula from Tinkham is in Gaussian units, which might confuse (sane) people who only have worked in SI units. --M. A. Lindeman
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
92
Views
5K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
974
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K